Pin drop! Obama lawyer stuns Supreme justice

WND ^ | 3/25/2014 | GREG COROMBOS

[Beave Meister]

In a dramatic moment at the Supreme Court Tuesday, Solicitor General Donald Verrilli told justices that U.S. business owners have no religious freedom to reject government mandates forcing them to cover abortions.

Justices and lawyers also sparred over whether businesses actually have religious freedom and whether striking down the Obamacare mandate makes women second-class citizens.

The notable abortion exchange between Verrilli and Justice Anthony Kennedy came during oral arguments in Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties v. Sebelius, two cases linked by the companies’ owners objecting to the Department of Health and Human Services requirement that businesses fully cover the contraception costs for their employees. That mandate includes coverage of abortafacient drugs, also known as the “morning-after pill.”

Family Research Council Senior Fellow for Legal Studies Cathy Ruse was in the gallery during oral arguments and said that was the most remarkable moment in the court session Tuesday.

“This was actually the most exciting part of the oral argument this morning, when Justice Kennedy asked the government’s lawyer, ‘So under your argument, corporations could be forced to pay for abortions, that there would be no religious claim against that on the part of the corporation. Is that right?’ And the government’s attorney said yes,” Ruse said.

“You could hear a pin drop, and I think that stunned Justice Kennedy. Since he’s always the swing vote, you want to stun him in a way that pushes him over to your side of the column,” she said.

[petitfour]

So individuals all across the country need to sue the Obama admin over the lack of insurance options for individuals who have a conscience? Congress made a law that does not allow individuals to purchase insurance without abortion coverage. They made a law that taxes religious liberty because if you refuse health insurance, you are taxed.

[bert]

A paper person has rights. That is the reason for creating the concept of paper persons.

What you meant was soul. A corporation has no soul, but having a soul is not necessary to have rights

[Pietro]

"Roberts.....and he’s already in the bag."

Yeah, right.

Unless they pull out the same picture that made him inexplicably call obamacare a "tax".

[taildragger]

The government lawyer is correct. Corporations have no religious freedom, because they are creations of the government - not God.

Really? They are treated like a Human in terms of being a tax "entity", so by extension why don't they have Religious Liberty?

What pisses off liberals is Corporations can go on in-perpetuity more so than their policies if they are run right which gives their G-D complex a real run for the money and they can't have that, and IMHO is why they hate them, they can't stand the Competition....

[Gadsden1st]

Thanks for your explanations. While I am in sympathy with the owners of Hobby Lobby, I do not see how they can seek the protection of being a corporation in order to protect themselves from personal liability, tax considerations, etc., yet claim the corporation has their religious protection as individuals.

If all members of Hobby Lobby were killed by another individual, could that individual be accused of mudering Hobby Lobby? Can’t they sell Hobby Lobby corporation to someone else? Could they then be accused of engaging in slavery? Of course not.

I don’t like MY rights as a human being compared with an artifical “person” created for business or tax purposed. If we go that route, making a corporation = human being, we are putting a human being in a position of being granted rights by the STATE.

[Pietro]

I read through your dissertation, it was quite enlightening, yet I maintain that Roberts ultimately failed the American people, perhaps not philosophically, but in every practical sense.

He had the power to stop this slow motion nightmare in its tracks and instead chose to issue a warning about the presumption of corporateness being used as a police power; precisley as it is now being used.

Further, this power, wielded through the corrupt and limitless IRS, is used at the discretion of the Sec. of HHS, an unelected official. Its application to date is entirely arbitrary and UNASSAILABLE!!

Roberts may be clever but he sold us all down the river. Obamacare is exactly the law, they need no other, that will be used to abrogate our God given rights. He opened the gate that released the cattle. His warnings that the cattle may be gone rings hollow.

He is no hero.

[subterfuge]

What corporations has “government” formed?
Name two.