[PGR88]

The Ukrainian Navy has ceased to exist and as in the Soviet time - the Black Sea Fleet is again Russian.

Did it ever exist? Ukraine doesn't seem to be a real nation. It seems to be a few different ethnic bits that fell off a diseased and dying soviet union. Rather than building the country and its defenses for the last 20 years, it seems also its ruling class is more interested in immigrating or looting the national treasury.

[elhombrelibre]

Ukraine existed before Russia. Stamping out Ukrainian nationalism led Stalin to murder millions of Ukrainians in 1933. Your callousness is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVdnbMd6gA

[Monterrosa-24]

"...Ukraine doesn't seem to be a real nation..." Ukraine has elected some poor leaders but what country was it that elected a half-Kenyan raised in Indonesia? And yes Ukraine is a real country.

[grania]

Ukraine doesn't seem to be a real nation

It's a failed nation. It seems to be the best thing to do would be to partition it. Let the historic Russian parts vote to stay Russian. Let the mess in western Ukraine hope that Poland or some other nation will annex them.

Otherwise, what are adjacent countries going to do with all of those anarchists and neo-Nazis in western Ukraine on the loose?