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When long-term unemployment becomes self-perpetuating (No, they are NOT lazy)
Washington Post ^ | 03/25/2014 | Catherine Rampell

Posted on 03/25/2014 10:15:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Say it with me: The long-term unemployed are not lazy. Nor are they coddled, hammocked or enjoying a coordinated, taxpayer-funded vacation.

They are, however, extremely unlucky — and getting unluckier by the day.

Take Renardo Gomez of Fitchburg, Mass. In three years, Gomez ricocheted from a stable hospital job of 20 years that paid $34,000 annually to a sudden layoff to a series of low-paying, short-term gigs interspersed with longer and longer spells of unemployment. He expects an eviction notice soon.

“I keep putting in 110 percent and getting 10 percent back,” he says.

A new Brookings Institution study that tracks the fates of those unlucky workers who don’t manage to find stable new jobs in their first few weeks of unemployment suggests that this post-layoff tailspin is distressingly common.

It was already known that the longer workers have been out of a job, the lower their chance of finding work in the coming month. The Brookings paper — by the former Obama administration economist Alan Krueger and his Princeton colleagues Judd Cramer and David Cho — took this analysis a step further: What about (gulp) these workers’ longer-run prospects?

It turns out that from 2008 to 2012, only one in 10 people who were already long-term unemployed in a given month had returned to “steady, full-time employment” by the time government surveyors checked in on them a little more than a year later. “Steady” in this case means that they were working for at least four consecutive months. And the other nine in 10 workers? They were still out of work, toiling in part-time or transitory jobs or had dropped out of the labor force altogether.

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1 posted on 03/25/2014 10:15:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
“I keep putting in 110 percent and getting 10 percent back,” he says.

Lucky guy… getting something back.
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2 posted on 03/25/2014 10:18:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My opinion of “them” is determined by whether or not I am paying them for not working.


3 posted on 03/25/2014 10:19:03 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: SeekAndFind

He lost his hospital job. Could Obamacare have anything to do with that? Or was it Romneycare?

Or both?


4 posted on 03/25/2014 10:19:05 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny, the easier you make it for them, the unluckier they get.

But no one could possibly have foreseen this. /s


5 posted on 03/25/2014 10:19:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh please. It isn’t the problem of finding a job. It is a problem of finding a job that meets the expectations of the person searching for it. There are always jobs out there for those willing to do them.

The problem with these high expectations is that the UIC’er quickly finds that they LIKE the weekly payments, the ability to get SNAP, TANF, WICs (for those with kids), Section 8, and the EITC yearly bonus. With these discouragements, the job that will satisfy them quickly becomes as scarce as a Unicorn.

[This isn’t an attack at or on those who are legitimately out of work and trying to find employment - any employment to meet their financial obligations. It is primarily meant for Obama voters, and those of you out there who fit this know who you are.]


6 posted on 03/25/2014 10:21:16 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

You are correct there are always jobs to be had, but trust me it is not like it used to me. I told my 17 year old son he needed to get a job, he applied at about 20+ places, all entry level work, only got called into an interview by 1 place and did get that job... but it took him nearly 2 months.

All of these places were entry level places, places you would expect a teen to be able to go and find work. 25 years ago, I would have likely had a job inside of 2-3 weeks after putting in no more than a handful of applications.

Reality is the long term depression/recession and the complete instability of things due to government actions, has made the labor market far tighter than it used to be, and employers, even the most basic ones far more leery to hire and picky about who they are willing to. Instead of HS kids working those minimum wage jobs as the rule, they are now more the exception.

I do agree there is always work out there, but its definitely a different and worse world than it used to be. Reality is at the end of the day employment in America today is probably the hardest, for the longest duration of my life. Those jobs teens were doing are now being done by adults who cannot even get a better job.

Reality:

In 1999, slightly more than 52 percent of teens 16 to 19 worked a summer job. By this year, that number had plunged to about 32.25 percent over June and July in 2003.


7 posted on 03/25/2014 10:30:50 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Sorry that should be 2013 not 2003


8 posted on 03/25/2014 10:31:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SeekAndFind

Due to inflation (which averages 3%) if you are not doubling your net worth every 20 years... you are losing ground.

Which means all these people living off the government teat, and falling further and further behind.


9 posted on 03/25/2014 10:34:22 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Don’t know your location but here in Central PA I see many help wanted signs in grocery stores, convenience stores and fast food shops, some advertising $10-12/hr. Believe me some of those places need good help.


10 posted on 03/25/2014 10:39:56 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: SeekAndFind

Thre is definitely a cohort of people that have gotten used to being paid not to work. That said, a major part of the job market is filtered based upon how recently you’ve had a job, with six months, and again at a year, being significant markers.


11 posted on 03/25/2014 10:42:55 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: HamiltonJay
It is harder to find a job, but the democrats cannot simultaneously bemoan the fact while at the same time doing everything they can to reduce private sector job creation and make people dependent on government handouts. Nancy Pelosi is on record saying unemployment benefits are a great way to boost the economy. Obama wants to raise the minimum wage; both dependable job killers, then there is Obama care. Whether or not the long term unemployed are lazy in unknowable and we all have opinions, but extending benefits forever is not a substitute for a growing economy. That is a fact.
12 posted on 03/25/2014 10:59:58 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: HamiltonJay
he applied at about 20+ places, all entry level work, only got called into an interview by 1 place and did get that job... but it took him nearly 2 months.
Appreciate what you said, but your comment is based on a sample of one.
For all you know, the other 20 places hired kids within one day of their applications.
Just sayin' ...
13 posted on 03/25/2014 11:01:14 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: lepton
I got fired from a job I had for 4 years because I collected unemployment during a 4 month layoff. The job was seasonal and ran from April to the end of November. I didn't collect during the layoffs in the first 3 years because the company threatened to fire me if I did. This year I had to replace my furnace at the end of December which depleted my savings. I applied for unemployment to get through the last few months of winter and they fired me for it. I was in a no win situation and needed to provide for my family. I'm hoping this winter ends soon so I can finally find a new job. I would rather have a job then collect unemployment.
14 posted on 03/25/2014 11:11:05 AM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: oh8eleven

Mcdonald’s isn’t gonna hire me nor would I want to work there.

I went through the application process for Michael’s (arts and crafts store here). It was a holiday position.

So I answered their 200 questions on the site, took the 10-min quiz and never heard from them. Everywhere you go, it’s apply online.

This is what the POS in charge wants. Lowest common denominator. Can’t lift up the savages, so reduce us all to their level.


15 posted on 03/25/2014 11:13:02 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: HamiltonJay

I’m’ in full agreement with you..

In the past, if you had a clean record, there was a job waiting for you. All that had to happen was a solid education and then things would work out fine.

I do know that there is little to no chance that the young can even get a basic teen job like restaurant work since illegals are sinking their merry claws into that.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 11:16:50 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: bicyclerepair

Full agreement. Working at a crafts store isn’t going to pay the bills. McDonalds is for those who aren’t planning on sticking around or plan on being in a managerial position and that’s not going to really benefit anyone long term.


17 posted on 03/25/2014 11:18:13 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: oh8eleven

Sorry, while I provide it as anecdote the numbers bear out what my anecdote is showing.

You have teen employment at the lowest levels of my lifetime.. You have the lowest employment participation rates since the Carter Administration. This isn’t simply an anecdote of one... its a trend that is the reality of the world today.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I'm not arguing. Back when I was in HS, I applied in a grocery store where three friends worked. They had all been hired the SAME day they had applied.
I had to go back and "nag" the store manager for weeks before finally getting the job.
Based on my experience I could honestly say getting a job was hard, while my buddies would say just the opposite.
19 posted on 03/25/2014 11:32:08 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind

The last two times I was out of work, it took over a year each time to get back to work. I was applying to anywhere that I thought would take me, from night security at a hotel to taking calls in a call center. All I ever got back was the standard response of “We think you would make a great employee, but you are just too overqualified.” I would dumb down my resume, but as soon as I opened my mouth in the interview, they would know. Plus here in Austin, several businesses just outright won’t hire prior service. Sometimes there just is not anything to find.


20 posted on 03/25/2014 12:41:51 PM PDT by tarawa
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