It's just a "social issue". The young libertarians don't want to be "festooned" by it.
Posted on 03/22/2014 2:46:47 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
How much weight should our opposition to abortion carry in our voting decisions?
God calls us to think His thoughts after Him. That means all of His thoughts. That is, we ought to have a sound and biblical view on everything the Bible touches on. Where it touches on political issues, we are called, again to have sound biblical views. We need to think biblically about what is just war and what is not. We need to think faithfully about taxation, and the size and scope of government. We need to think through what obligation, if any the state has to protect property, to protect our lives.
That said, there are precious few things that frustrate me more about the evangelical right than its utter foolishness with respect to proportion politically. We bundle together this issue and that, everything from tax rates to school vouchers to flag burning to abortion, and call it “family values.” There is a right and a wrong answer on all these issues. But abortion is not like any of the others. It stands out all on its own. In a hundred years, the Christian church will not hang its head in shame that it did so little to pass a Constitutional Amendment against the burning of the flag. In a hundred years, no elderly Christian will be looked at with suspicion by the younger generation because they didn’t do more to lower the tax rate. In a hundred years, if God should be so gracious, we will be looked upon as that godless generation of the church that watched tens of millions of babies go to their deaths. Indeed, we’ll be remembered as those “Christians” who elected men to office who believed that the state ought to protect the rights of some mothers to murder their babies.
It is unfair to draw too tight a comparison between abortion in America and the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. There are significant differences. First, the Holocaust was carried out, by and large, in secret. The rank and file Germans had no idea what was going on. We, on the other hand, every last one of us, woke up today knowing that four thousand babies would die today. We, on the other hand, have four thousand mothers, every day, who knowingly do this. We, on the other hand, have four thousand fathers, boyfriends and husbands who every day encourage this. The Holocaust lasted roughly ten years, and the Nazi’s killed roughly six million people. We, on the other hand, have been at this for 35 years, and have killed more than fifty million babies. It is an unfair comparison, unfair to the Nazis. We are far worse monsters.
How much weight should our opposition carry? I have purposed in my heart that I would never vote for a man for any office that is not committed to using every power at his disposal to protect and defend every unborn child. Never. Ever. If every Christian would simply make that simple pledge, then we would win this battle. As it stands, at best we vote for candidates who might nominate or support judicial candidates who might vote for this small impediment or that to abortion on demand. At worst, we vote for the guy with the R by his name. We need to get rid of our strategies, and get on our knees in repentance. We need to stop negotiating with candidates over the bodies of dead babies.
You are not a Libertarian, you are just a pro-abortion mechanic.
Euthanasia both voluntary and involuntary, is now a state issue, are you proud of your stance?
Without the right to life there are no rights.
At present, there is no Constitutional amendment stating that human life is protected in the womb. I am not now, nor have I been since I started voting in 1971, a pro-abort.
There are no amendments concerning marriage, either. That doesn’t mean there cannot be in the future.
At present, there is no Constitutional amendment stating that human life is protected in the womb. I am not now, nor have I been since I started voting in 1971, a pro-abort.
There are no amendments concerning marriage, either. That doesn’t mean there cannot be in the future.
But this is not what this thread is about. There are plenty of Rand Paul threads, this is about “How much weight should our opposition to abortion carry in our voting decisions”.
Abortion is murder. Any advocate of abortion shouldn't be voted for.
The problem is that we have someone on the Left who is a rabid supporter of abortion and who wishes it could be available at every corner store. Then we have a "Republican" who "thinks there might be some cases where it might be allowable".
If those are your choices, do you vote for the one with the unformed/immature opinion or do you allow the rabid pro-murder on demand guy win by default?
I so appreciate your post, and more than that I appreciate your service as a volunteer.
My heart breaks when I think about how this nation has endorsed the murder of MILLIONS of babies. Makes me angry and sick to my stomach all at the same time.
We are going down the same path with the perversion of marriage, and all I can think is that God’s judgment is so very near.
I am glad you have been able to help heal some hearts.
I give to Live Action, in hope that some of the tide can be turned.
Really? Was that the gist of what I was talking about? Or was I discussing how conservatives should simply lie like the democRATS do when asked about abortion or any other topic that the democRAT media chooses to hang on them as a millstone.
I am not, have not, advocated for or against euthanasia, and that was not even part of the conversation.
And yes, for the record, that is a state issue and has no business in the federal courts.
It's just a "social issue". The young libertarians don't want to be "festooned" by it.
If a candidate is pro elective murder, he/she has failed the litmus test.
Yet I repeat my tagline.
“I’m a conservative NOT a republican.
Gov’t should not be involved with abortion or marriage. These two should be only between a woman/dr and people/ministers respectively. It’s not my d@mn business.
Or is that libertarian? Ok, I’m libertarian.”
Yes, you are libertarian. No, you are NOT conservative.
You want to be fiscally conservative and morally liberal. You have made up your mind to be duplicitous. But should we allow that you are being halfway honest?
I believe you have accepted that abortion is not murder, or would you give consent to murder of, say a 3 year old retarded girl, as it is between a woman/dr and people/ministers respectively? beings how it’s none of your **** business.
The real issue is that there is a large faction on the Left which is just as hard-line about abortion as many on the Right are about the Second Amendment. Having a firmly anti-abortion candidate brings them out in activist mode just as strongly as having an anti-2A brings us out.
Drop this nuttiness, your very first post on this thread, was to me, about Rand Paul, your second post on this thread was on libertarians, your third post brought up Rand Paul again, I didn’t respond to you until post 50, and you are the one who keeps posting to me about Rand Paul.
I was late to your Rand Paul party.
You are posting like crazy on Rand Paul, someone was going to disagree with you about him if you kept going on posting on him as you have.
Trolling for libertarians and Paul can’t be done without someone correcting you.
So?
Well illustrated.
Everything and ALL
I would even add to that, if a Democrat running claims to be pro life, what`s he doing in that party? So I simplify, NO DEMS
If you want the party to drop social issues, then you start voting for GOP candidates who are refusing to accept the party platform and let them take over the party.
100% weight. Period. Killing children is murder. The term ‘abortion’ was introduced by liberals to soften their killing of babies.
I can honestly say I’ve never voted for a Democrat, wouldn’t even consider one no matter what they said. Their party plank is corrupt to the core, anyone associated with that party (and franlky, most GOP’s also) are assumed to be corrupt.
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