Russian network host boasts of 'money bomb' for Ron Paul (2011)
Why is Russian TV Backing Ron Paul? (2011)
Posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:19 AM PDT by opentalk
Former Rep. Ron Paul says that America’s reaction to Crimea’s vote to secede from Ukraine should be,“so what?”
“Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?” the Texas Republican and libertarian icon wrote in a USA Today op-ed Monday.
...Over the weekend, Crimeans voted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia,which the Russian government has moved to approve. American politicians have called the vote a sham and the administration has said it does not recognize the results of the vote,placing sanctions on some Russian officials in response.
Ron Paul said at least three other regions, Catalonia, Scotland and Venice,are similarly seeking to leave their countries, and the U.S. and Europe should allow events to proceed uninterrupted there as well as Crimea, saying “self-determination is a centerpiece of international law.”
… Paul said the “minimal” sanctions from the White House is all the global economy can afford, and it is the global economy that promotes peace,not intervention.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
The Sudetenland was a much more complicated issue than how it is remembered in the West today.
The Bohemian Germans had lived where they did for a thousand years. They lived throughout that period in a German state, which arguably oppressed the Bohemian Czechs to varying degrees over the years. Little of that oppression was from the Bohemian Germans, though, it was by Germans in Vienna.
So Austria loses WWI, and the Czechs want to be independent. Suddenly the Czech demands for self-determination of peoples goes out the window and they instead demand the "historical boundaries of the Bohemian Crown," which of course included the 3M Bohemian Germans, who almost unanimously wanted to remain part of a German nation and lived in areas contiguous to either Germany or Austria. Instead, they were handed over by "the powers" to the rule of people who hated them.
On March 4, 1919 the Germans of Bohemia demonstrated, with 54 of them being killed by the Czechs.
IOW, the Sudeten Germans had perfectly legitimate complaints about how they'd been treated by the "international community" and the Czech government.
Did Hitler care about them? Of course not. He just was able to effectively exploit their legitimate grievances for his own purposes.
But those grievances wouldn't have existed if Wilson and the other powers hadn't abandoned their own proclaimed principles in the interests of expediency.
Hitler's invasion of the rest of Czechoslovakia and then of Poland didn't have even a trace of legitimate justification.
I think the analogy is good, but not perfect. You yourself point to one big analogy, that Putin loved Russia (and HItler loved the Fatherland).
Some of the differences you pointed out are valid, but it’s still a fairly apt analogy IMO.
That’s totally foolishly absurd……remember Afghanistan?
We bought Alaska from the Russkies. What legitimate right they had to own or sell it is of course an interesting question.
Actually, you make my case for me…..with your correct statement about Sudeten Germans.
okay smartass….can you analogize tibet to this situation?
I didn’t think so…..
Russian network host boasts of 'money bomb' for Ron Paul (2011)
Why is Russian TV Backing Ron Paul? (2011)
I can concede that you find it so, but truly, Putin is no Hitler. Putin has no intentions of domination outside of Russia, possibly the former Soviet Union, but I doubt he would do anyting against current states such as Georgia, Estonia or any of the -stans.
History didn’t start in 1939. You could look it up.
Not that I disagree with you re: response, but Crimea is Russian because Stalin killed/starved the native Ukranians.
So this is more like Mexico annexing California because Mexicans are now the majority there.
No, but for any thinking person, going back to WW2 is a good place to more or less define the world we have now.
Idget.
“Where where you on a progressive President who dragged us foolishly into WWI?”
Well, my grandfather was fighting Americans for what he thought was his fatherland and his Kaiser.
Turned out badly about 15 years later.
Breathtakingly naive about Putin you are IMO.
You need to calm down.
Just like your question.
Well said.
I love when freepers begin name calling. That always tells me how little they have to add to the conversation otherwise.
No, your assumption that if you go back in history, one must go all the way back in history, is just assinine, absurd, and a straw argument.
Besides, your example…the “beginning” of WW 1 is TOTALLY irrelevant to the Sudentenland because it was the END of WW 1, NOT the beginning, that could be tied to this issue. There is no way to preordain Versaille at the beginning of WW 1, so your question is a total non starter.
I am not calling names, I am accurately describing arguments and actions. You’re like the kid at recess running to the teacher.
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