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Compelling argument that Ukraine is about to explode.
1 posted on 03/17/2014 6:01:06 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

John Roberts moonlighting in Ukraine?


2 posted on 03/17/2014 6:03:16 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: lodi90

Are you asking if or when?


3 posted on 03/17/2014 6:03:23 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: lodi90

Someone needs to send her a copy of “Islam for Idiots.”


4 posted on 03/17/2014 6:06:01 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: lodi90

You mean implode. Nothing will happen after Putin makes his next play, and he knows it.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 6:08:30 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: lodi90

Putin is as shrewd as Obama is incompetent...


6 posted on 03/17/2014 6:10:12 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Sacajaweau

Ping, ...Lawyers again.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 6:12:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: lodi90

I don’t know. Have Ukraine tell Obama there’s a ship full of oil involved. That seems to get his attention.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 6:13:00 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: lodi90

If Ukraine were absorbed, it would put millions of people with no loyalty and even hatred of Russia inside Russia’s borders and give them citizenship. Ukrainians could become terrorists inside Russia.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 6:17:03 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lodi90
Will Russia use "Lawfare" to pave the way for an invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Interesting, Lawfare was invented by the Western Socialist left. Will the Russians turn another cowardly dirty trick tactic against those that invented it?

Quick study those new Russians.

10 posted on 03/17/2014 6:17:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: lodi90
On February 22, Ukraine’s Parliament was careful not to remove President Yanukovych from office (i.e. it avoided the lengthy and unpredictable impeachment procedure), but rather it voted to accept his “voluntary renunciation of duties” – justifying such a decision on the basis of his having fled Kyiv during a crucial crisis.

However, Ukraine’s Constitution is quite explicit, and it does not allow for a President to be “relieved of his duties”, nor does it allow for the appointment of an “acting President”. ... the High Administrative Court has no choice but to rule on March 19 to cancel the resolutions of Parliament which effectively removed Yanukovych from office.

The blitzkrieg's gonna rage.

11 posted on 03/17/2014 6:23:25 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: lodi90

I wish the GOP was this clever. Only Ted Cruz seems to be this good, the rest just go along with the left’s deliberate ignoring of the law. Obama has finally met someone who will push back.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 6:26:08 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lodi90

Ukraine had a treaty with NATO and the US .. cover in case of Russian aggression in exchange for giving up their nukes

well, we left them out to twist... and they learned what the word of progressives is worth

I would expect china to amaze similar moves against those unable to put up a fight

how’s that change working, America?

hell... how’re you enjoying the ‘reset’?


13 posted on 03/17/2014 6:29:21 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: lodi90

This may be degenerate just like the Iranian hostage crisis, where the Iranian government initially wanted the kidnappers to pull back until the Iranians saw just how weak Jimmy Carter was. I’m worried how Russia (much stronger than Iran) will react as they watch just how weak Obama (far worse than Carter, as impossible as that would have sounded five years ago) is in his response. Russia may decide to take the Baltic republics, Alaska, and New England, and Obama would probably allow it if Putin promised not to interfere with his golf and vacation schedule.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 6:30:14 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: lodi90

Doing something that drastic could result in a “stern letter of warning” from SOS (Sack of Sh..) John Kerry-Heinz and sanctions by His Arrogance of barring exports of Eggos to Russia.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 6:37:18 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (WWP and Paralyed Veterans Assoc. doing the work the U.S. Veterans Administration won't do!)
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To: lodi90

I think it extends to the Russians a wizardry that’s beyond implausible. Russia is going to do all it can to undermine and disrupt Kiev.... but its not going to directly flaunt it in the West’s face.

Moscow prefers to create fait accomplis first and dare the West to reverse them - all without leaving its fingerprints at the scene of the crime. What the Kremlin pulled off in Crimea is likely to become its template for dealing with Ukraine.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 7:02:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lodi90
It looks to me like Putin has the facts on his side, ugly as they might be. The West backed the violent overthrow of Ukraine's elected government, so the present Kiev regime is therefore illegal. To defend its own strategic interests against the new, anti-Moscow government in Kiev, Russia has now seized Crimea and allied itself with the breakaway peninsula's heavily Russian population. Logically, the Moscow-leaning eastern half of Ukraine is next.

We may not like what is happening, but we can't support a coup one month and then pretend the following month's counter-coup is somehow illegitimate. The strongest side will prevail and there's not a thing we can do about it. Except talk. And words that cannot be supported with action are better left unsaid, lest their speaker lose all credibility.

32 posted on 03/17/2014 7:13:29 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: lodi90
Russia’s invasion of eastern and southern Ukraine will be “justified” by the Kremlin as an operation aimed at protecting the interests of Russian-speakers from an illegitimate, fascist, intolerant and anarchic post-revolutionary Kyiv government.

Even if the Ukraine government is found illegitimate, russia has no right to invade a sovereign country. Putin is acting as if he is a party to this, but he no legal standing himself.

33 posted on 03/17/2014 7:13:45 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lodi90

Do we have good reason to believe that Russian intellectual elites are somehow more connected to reality than the domestic ones that currently infest our government?

I have no more or better window into what will or will not happen in Ukraine than anyone else, that is not my claim. The “Euro-leaning” part of Ukraine probably has tremendous resentment for the horrible mistreatment of the various ethnicities that occurred under Stalin, and remains a semi-backwards agricultural/industrial area today.

Probably the Euros want to embrace Ukraine for its many resources and industrial areas, but to do that they will have to engage in another costly bailout of Ukraines’ existing debts and in effect, place those funds right into Putin’s pocket. And they’re not in the best shape to do that, nor would there be any sort of unanimity to do so. (Big surprise, the Euros are always great on agreeing on stuff, right?)

I don’t believe outsiders are in much of a position to predict how this will play out.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 7:34:42 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: lodi90

I personally find it refreshing that the ‘commie thugs’ are using their legal system and relying on their Constitution and the law to get rid of the illegitimate puppet government in Kiev.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 7:47:59 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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