Posted on 03/12/2014 12:33:06 PM PDT by Fitzy_888
Edited on 03/12/2014 12:35:14 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
I recall the transcript indicted the Soviet pilot did visually ID the target and shot it down under orders.
Even back then we monitored and tracked all AD movements and comm in the region, and today we have a greater capability to do so.
Yes, you are correct, if China did this they would not do such a hack job and more importantly, they would have been ‘seen’ doing so and would be in no position to hide it.
Hey, you and I both know the lack of proof of a cover-up/conspiracy indicates how good the cover-up/conspiracy was.
No proof = absolute proof.
See Post 121.
I saw the lead fbi guy for TWA 800 this morning on cnn international and sure believe everything he was saying about flight 370/s
“I believe American plans have a switch they can pull to signal a hijacking.”
It’s a transponder code.
“Certainly, nobody would just shoot a civilian plane down without justification”
Soviets did when they shot down the Korean Airliner.
“I don’t believe anybody shot this one down. It’s either a failed hijacking, a spectacular mistake, or a mechanical problem.”
Agree with you 100%.
And wires and hydraulic lines are routed through the fuel tanks. To keep them cool. Not that a line could have been scuffed and cause a spark. . .no chance of that.
Agree. No one can see a 4’ long, flat-finish, 6” diameter missile from miles and miles away (these missiles are built to be low observable to the pilot because they don’t want the pilot to see it coming and defend. . .the missile is especially difficult to see even when close after motor burn-out. Claiming to watch a missile like this impact the jet is just plain silly. . .unless you have superman eyes.
I’ve had an inflight malfunction where the fighter I was flying climbed about a thousand feet before I could react, un-commanded flight control input due to software issue.
Why did the jet supposedly climb after it started to break-up: Un-commanded flight control input, the jet became a flight test platform with unknown flight performance after experiencing damage, and of course, shifting aft CG causes a pitch-up.
The Soviets made a severe (and paranoid) mistake with the Korean airliner. They thought it was an American recognizance plane called Cobra Ball, which flew out of Kiska, the last island in the Aleutians. From the angle of their radar the two images crossed. When they separated the Soviets misidentified 007 as Cobra Ball. KAL 007 was off course, having experienced a zero crossing error or an initial set-point error and they passed over a Soviet airbase. It was chased from the rear and the fighter, overextended, fired a missile at extreme range. He never had a visual and could not ID the target as a 747 instead of a 707. The missile flew up an engine and the plane fell several miles while breaking apart. It was a nightmare for the Soviets. If the Chinese did shoot it down, it would be almost impossible to keep it secret, given the monitoring in the area. Also, I think the probable crash site is well outside any probable danger zone.
It appears to be something on the ground burning. If that was a plane on fire, still in flight, the smoke plume would be behind the plane, not rising straight up in the air.
The scenario is as you describe—KAL confused initially with Cobra Ball.
Please keep in mind KAL 007 was shot down by a heater. . .a short range missile and shot at close range. No BVR capability for the heater he used. He was close enough to visually ID the jet.
Not sure what you mean: “It was chased from the rear and the fighter, overextended, fired a missile at extreme range. “
Over-shot and the pilot took a heater shot at extreme range. . .from the front? Not trying to argue, but am confused.
Basically, recordings prove the pilot closed to the target (KAL007), over-shot, saw the nav lights (must be near), saw the strobes, flew abeam of the jet, thought about using a rocket because he was so close but then dropped back and did a standard heater shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6010ajPYY
All times are youtube times.
4:29 the transcript reads the pilot visually ID’s the target.
6:08 More info
6:40 Sees strobes and lights on the jet.
7:25 Pilot says he needs to approach the jet and does
7:55 Pilot says he is going even closer and he broke heater lock (from experience this is to disable the missile so it doesn’t pickle-off and detonate on the target and frag you.
Approaches to about 2 klicks away (half a mile, basically, VERY close)
8:23-8:37 Over-shoots KAL and gets in front of KAL
8:46 Is beam of KAL (can’t mistake a 747 for CB)
9:04 Pilot says he will switch to rocket (that means he REALLY is close)
9:50 and onward Pilot drops back for a heater shot and the rest is darned awful to listen to.
Chilling recording from start to finish.
Anyway, with you on everything else. it was not shot down.
I worked briefly on Cobra Ball which had my company’s hardware on board. Naturally, I took a great interest as we knew (as I recall) what had happened long before it hit the press. My recall may be faulty, but I remembered the chase plane(s?) was/were originally directed for too long in the wrong direction. As I recalled it, they were turned around and went hot (presumably afterburner.) Only one fighter was close enough to take the shot and my memory says that he was behind and below and could not see the strobes. KAL was hit as it left Soviet airspace. As I recall, the Soviets tried out several excuses, including that the pilot had acted alone. Then Reagan released the audio of the relayed conversation proving the pilot had received instructions relayed from Moscow to take the shot. (Perhaps by that time he was in visual range?)My recollection is that the pilot, who was being directed from the ground, was low on fuel.
In any case, everything I know is from my memory and I was never directly involved.
I had numerous nightmares about what happened on that plane. We calculated the time to the ground. It’s been a long time, but my recollection was five minutes or so.
The truly crazy thing is the Soviets thought Cobra Ball might be taking photo recognizance pictures. Both sides had satellites like Looking Glass that could photograph a license plate. Why on Earth would the US risk an over flight by a 707? This shoot down was caused by a premier still thinking of the world as it was in 1945.
I do not believe that the Soviet command structure would have issued a shoot order if they actually thought it was a civilian airliner. But those are paranoid people and the times were really different. To many, the cold war sometimes got hot enough to kill.
Vietsovpetro, headquartered in Vung Tau, Vietnam, is a joint Russian-Vietnamese enterprise for oil and gas exploration.
Emotionally distraught families could very well THINK they are hearing things which they really are not hearing.
Naw, he’s not Vietnamese. He’s western - Australian or New Zealand or something. An engineer, I think.
And it was just a huge co-winky-dink that Larry McDonald was on board.
I call BS. Not only is it too light out but weren’t we told this was a red-eye flight as it is - in Asia time?
Well, this woman engineer calls BS.
Don’t go by this pix.
People, the flight was MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
This pix the man even says it was a 6:45 flight and approx 7:10 photo. Early evening. Sunlight shows on the cloud.
This might be looking downward toward the shore and show tribal fires, for all we know.
Virtual searches of that area through a company out of Colorado. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/11/malaysian-plane-virtual-search-party-too-much-for-website/
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