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Nato jets to monitor Ukraine border
BBC ^ | 10 March 2014

Posted on 03/10/2014 11:10:50 AM PDT by McGruff

Nato is to deploy reconnaissance planes in Poland and Romania to monitor the Ukrainian crisis.

It gave the go-ahead for the flights on Monday, a Nato spokesman said.

"All Awacs [Airborne Warning and Control System] reconnaissance flights will take place solely over alliance territory," the official said.

It comes as Russia cements its control of Ukraine's Crimea ahead of Sunday's referendum to join Russia. Ukraine and the West say this is illegal.

In the latest move on Monday, armed men - said to be Russian troops and local militias - seized a military hospital in Crimea.

The attackers marched into the hospital in the regional capital Simferopol, threatening staff and some 30 patients.

Pro-Russian troops are also blockading Ukrainian troops across Crimea.

Moscow has officially denied that its troops are taking part in the blockades, describing the armed men with no insignia as Crimea's "self-defence" forces.

The government in Kiev - as well as the US and EU - accuse Russia of invading Ukraine, in violation of international law.

Nato said the surveillance flights would "enhance the alliance's situational awareness".

Last week, the organisation said it was reviewing all co-operation with Russia and stepping up its engagement with the government in Kiev.

Unrest in Ukraine erupted in November after former President Viktor Yanukovych's last-minute rejection of a landmark EU deal in favour of a bailout from Russia.

Mr Yanukovych was ousted last month, and a new government has been voted in by the Ukrainian parliament which Russia says was a "coup".


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: military; nato; obama; russia; ukraine
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To: escapefromboston

Oh, and please name three conservative philosophers you admire, if you don’t mind. And while you’re bringing me up to speed on “boogyemen” (sic), if don’t mind, define “neocon.”


61 posted on 03/11/2014 12:39:19 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Was that suppose to make sense?


62 posted on 03/11/2014 12:54:11 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: elhombrelibre

Can you please try making a point? Your posts are bizarre and nonsensical.


63 posted on 03/11/2014 12:55:55 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Seriously, when did you learn English?


64 posted on 03/11/2014 12:58:19 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

All joking aside, are you in high school? Do you suffer from any mental problems?
You are not making any sense. Please, think about what you want to say before you type it out.


65 posted on 03/11/2014 1:17:02 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Can you name a conservative philosopher whom you admirer? What do you mean by neocon?


66 posted on 03/11/2014 1:19:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’d go with the definition found on Wikipedia : Neoconservatives frequently advocate the “assertive” promotion of democracy and promotion of “American national interest” in international affairs including by means of military force.

Now if that isn’t your view point , I do apologize .

I read plenty of conservative writers but none of which I’d call philosophers , besides Ayn Rand and I’m not a huge fan really.


67 posted on 03/11/2014 1:29:01 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston
Okay, so you agree with the Wikipedia definition, right?

Do you support the promotion of another countries interest?

If you don't support the promotion of democracy, do you support the promotion of anything?

All real modern conservatives, I think, begin with recognition of Edmund Burke, and in particular his book REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE.

Other leading conservatives, in my opinion, include but are certainly not limited to: Friedrich von Hayek, Whitaker Chambers, G.K. Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc, James Burnham, William F. Buckley, Thomas Sowell, Joseph Sobran, Milton Friedman, Winston Churchill, and, dare I say it, Ronald Reagan.

68 posted on 03/11/2014 1:43:58 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Depends on what you mean by “support” and what you mean by “interest”.


69 posted on 03/11/2014 1:50:33 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: elhombrelibre

Of the people on that list I’d go with Chesterton, sowell, Buckley being my favorite conservative “philosophers”.

Which isn’t to say I agree with everything they say.


70 posted on 03/11/2014 2:00:36 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

And you like Pat Buchanan or Savage, I suspect.


71 posted on 03/11/2014 2:04:01 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Would you say that the Wikipedia definition was accurate or not ? I’m starting to find this tedious.
Feel free to send me a private message if you want, I have no need to continue with this discuss and derail this topic.


72 posted on 03/11/2014 2:18:33 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

I think there is some truth in the Wikipedia definition. Neoconservatism began, mostly, in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s among ex-Marxist, Democrats, Southern Democrats, Liberal Democrats, and Catholic and Jewish Democrats who crossed over to the Republican Party. They rejected the Left’s critique of America as an Imperialist Power. They agreed that the USA had flaws needing attention, but were ardent anti-communists at home and abroad. Among the most famous was Irving Kristal, Patrick Moynihan, Norman Podhoretz, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Michael Novak, and Fred Barnes. The bottom line was that these people rejected liberalism, but they did not reject the USA as a special and unique place.


73 posted on 03/11/2014 2:26:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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74 posted on 03/13/2014 2:35:18 PM PDT by DannyTN
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