Posted on 03/10/2014 5:51:07 AM PDT by C19fan
Ten city blocks of Manhattan became a river of black Sunday as 50,000 dark-clad ultra-Orthodox Jews took to the streets to protest Israel's proposal to force their young boys into its army. The gathering took up a stretch of Water Street, with demonstrators standing behind police barricades amid tight security as they prayed in solidarity with their brethren in Israel. 'These kids, a lot of them don't know how to hold a gun. They don't know what physical warfare is,' said Long Island rabbinical student Shmuel Gruis.
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Again, they do not support the existence of Israel as a state.
The survival of the Israeli government is not a priority for them.
To their way of thinking, they survived a caliphate in Israel for 1200 years, on and off, and they can do it again.
Somehow, I don't think this could have been their lifestyle 200 years ago. Before the mid-20th Century, everybody's situation, of whatever religion, was "work or starve" (unless you had inherited a lot of assets).
Of all the groups, they take proportionally the least public assistance.
So they are a large chunk of the population who believe in acting as if the government did not exist.
It was, but the pyramid has flattened.
There always was a scholar class supported by the rest, but over time the membership in that class seems to have expanded to embrace a larger and larger portion of the population.
Orthodox Jews go right past psalm 144: Blessed be the Lord my rock, who teacheth my hands to war, and My fingers to fight.
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PapaBear, you love blaming everything on women.
I am female, just fyi and no, these poor Orthodox women right now are cleaning every room, every cabinet, every pocket to free them of all traces of leaven for Passover. They are exhausted. They would be happy if the teenage boys worked. They would be overjoyed if their husbands worked.
Are they just protesting for the men in the mother land? I’m sure they will not be deported?
This demonstrates what "ultra-Orthodox" Jews can do when they're really upset about something. So why aren't they doing this over "gay marriage" and similar issues? Once upon a time they actually did (back when homosexuality was universally condemned).
One reason for this quietism is of course that so-called "ultra-Orthodox" Jews are a very withdrawn group. They live in their own (quite literally Theocratic) world and are most concerned with getting along with whoever happens to be in power. In their world, these social issues don't yet exist (though the left wing of "Modern Orthodoxy" is pushing). The Israeli draft law impacts them directly.
Rabbi Yehuda Levin remarked in one of his videos that the religious Zionists in Israel (who come from Modern Orthodoxy) are more critical of the Israeli government than US "ultra-Orthodox" Jews of the US government.
If these are the types where me or my beloved family are not worth one of their fingernails, well then the hell with them let the IDF use them for practice.
OK, so draft some ultra-orthodox rabbis, and have them conduct classes after duty hours. Term of service is three years, so as an accommodation to the Haredi, let them serve reduced hours (to permit study), but increase the term to 5 years.
Personally, I think an underlying reason why the ultra-orthodox leadership objects, is that the military enables soldiers to form friendships and relationships with people outside the group they had been brought up in, which would make it much easier for ultra-orthodox young men to leave the ultra-orthodox community.
Parasites.
Which is why (as I posted in #30) I think the REAL underlying objection to having their young men and women go into the IDF, is that they would spend three years outside that little world, bunking with non-orthodox, seeing non-orthodox of the opposite sex, and making friends and contacts outside their community.
This would make it a lot easier for an ultra-orthodox young man to leave the community if he decided he didn't want to live there any more, and would have friends who could make it easy to get established in non-orthodox Israel.
Not only are a lot on welfare, but they protest Israeli’s
use of the draft, in a far away country, instead of in
Israeli. Brave. and they were behind a police barricade.
Good. And while on a break, they can make somebody a sandwich.
yes, while the men sit around studying Torah and Kaballah
Stupid Jews.
They might not support the state of Israel, but they seem happy to reap the benefits of studying there, working there, and enjoy the protection of the government. much like their Arab neighbors, I am afraid.
I understand what you are saying, but I do not sympathize. Sorry.
I was just trying to point out how tangled up the whole situation is.
I thought the other groups were also to varying degrees anti-Zionist. Though nothing is terribly clear.
The best way of looking at this is probably at surface value, that they oppose the draft because they are caught up in a sectarian ghetto mentality, and know that if their children see other situations (and “the big city”), they won’t want “to go back to the farm.”
But it’s a losing argument from two perspectives. The first is that having a military and keeping order are the two primary functions of government. If they don’t support the military, they have reneged on the social contract.
The other reason is that yes, while there will be attrition of some of their children, others will return, and likely with ideas that will revitalize their communities.
Do you support or oppose the US domestic policy of a volunteer army?
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