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SteynOnLine ^ | 3/7/2014 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:11:21 PM PST by Valpal1

People keep asking me whom I favor for the 2016 Republican nomination. I politely demur — and not just because it's almost three years till Election Day, and at this stage in the 2008 cycle I'm not sure I'd ever heard of Barack Obama. As a resident of a New Hampshire township with more than 37 people, I don't have to seek out presidential candidates; they're there at the inn and the general store and the diner and the Grange. I've seen enough next-presidents-of-the-United-States for several lifetimes: Phil Gramm, Pete Wilson, Bob Dornan, Elizabeth Dole, Orrin Hatch, Gary Bauer, Lamar Alexander, Tom Tancredo, Tommy Thompson, Alan Keyes...

Would it have made any difference to the country had any of these fine upstanding fellows prevailed? Or would we be pretty much where we are anyway? Aside from a trade agreement here, a federal regulation there, I'd plump for the latter. You can't have conservative government in a liberal culture, and that's the position the Republican party is in.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; election2014; election2016; marksteyn
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To: Valpal1

Yes depressing and true. America will party on bros until the money and loans are completely gone. The only unbreakable law is economics, you can’t make gold out of straw. The nation will go bankrupt and fall. What sort of society that emerges after the disorders is unknown. Love your family and pray to God, the rest is the realm of the Devil.


21 posted on 03/08/2014 9:25:33 AM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Valpal1; bitt

He doesn’t sound like a “Happy Warrior”.


22 posted on 03/08/2014 9:29:04 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: ken5050

Bookmark for later reading..


23 posted on 03/08/2014 10:17:14 AM PST by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: bitt


















if you like your doctorshow me the money

24 posted on 03/08/2014 12:20:43 PM PST by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: Valpal1; madprof98; posterchild; goldstategop; thecodont; Slings and Arrows; JLS; elhombrelibre; ...

Here’s some good news:

In the last ten years we destroyed most of the race card.

Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.

Helped a majority of people see global warming as ‘debatable, not settled’...

All but eliminated standard ‘gun control’ myths...

Turned the term ‘liberal’ into something liberals run from...

Told the people of Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...

Helped Europeans see their massive uncontrolled ‘immigration’ was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to ‘help people’...

The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, it’s rough - but we really are winning...


25 posted on 03/08/2014 1:23:23 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: bitt
RE: "depressing but true.."

I'll throw in a few dittos on that. Sad times we live in.
26 posted on 03/08/2014 1:28:47 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Valpal1; madprof98; posterchild; goldstategop; thecodont; Slings and Arrows; JLS; elhombrelibre

One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:

CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131044/posts


27 posted on 03/08/2014 1:38:38 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: GOPJ
CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

That's great, but it's not enough.

We need to turn around the culture to seeing once again that marriage = 1 man + 1 woman and children are created and _welcomed_ from this union.

28 posted on 03/08/2014 1:52:25 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Paradox

I remember March 2008 like a punch in the stomach. It was sickening watching the whole “election” unravel from that point. I knew something was up and it wasn’t normal.


29 posted on 03/08/2014 1:54:44 PM PST by thecodont
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To: GOPJ

Now if we could just get some representation in government.


30 posted on 03/08/2014 2:07:12 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: thecodont

The turn is just under the surface. I was at Wally world this afternoon and watched a mother slap a toddler so hard it made a loud smacking sound. The child of course instantly screamed and continued to scream as the pain washed over her. The father picked the child out of the cart and I went over to them and just said, smiling, that a child that age has more sensitive skin than we adults do. The father got all huffy that I would speak up, but I continued to emphasize that the child feels that pain more severely than an adult. The father then Cussed me and told me to move along. Whereupon I remained steadfast, citing my right to be there and to speak out in defense of a child. When the father became irrationally upset, I moved along. Not ten steps away from the scene a woman came up to me and thanked me for speaking up in defense of that little girl. So the turnabout is just under the surface. That woman who thanked me will now be more likely to speak out, and the snowball grows just like that.


31 posted on 03/08/2014 2:09:01 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
That woman who thanked me will now be more likely to speak out, and the snowball grows just like that.

That was brave and good of you (and that you spoke graciously only added to the effectiveness of it). We all need to be so brave. Let's hope you're right about the "snowball effect."

32 posted on 03/08/2014 2:19:54 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Rome wasn’t built in a day...


33 posted on 03/08/2014 8:22:42 PM PST by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: Valpal1
Yup!

So how do you change a culture?

This is the same conclusions I reached when Obam was elected to a second term. The first term scared the hell out of me and I thought maybe it was a fluke of nature..

But I now know it was a corrupted culture, corrupted courts and corrupted politicians chasing the corrupted culture.. I also know that the 200 year experiment called America, had come to a tipping point and had tipped over..

You can't fix it in the normal way politically. It has to come to it's inevitable conclusions on it's own, like a stinkin drunk who hits the lowest of the low places in his life.

Does that mean we stop trying?

Nope! On the contrary, we keep doing what we do, offering another way forward but we do it with grace and the knowledge that the country is a sick puppy.

But we have to understand what we face and that the drunk has to nearly die if he/she has any chance of recovery. We need to keep our eyes on that goal (and the future) while we preside over the (present) chaos that is sure to come and is already here in fact. The fuse is lit...

In my humble opinion...

34 posted on 03/08/2014 9:47:15 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: MHGinTN

My grandmother, as a 4’10” mother of ten, always gave herself permission to speak out in defense of children. So I speak out in her name, when I see kids being mistreated.


35 posted on 03/09/2014 5:50:57 AM PDT by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: Cold Heat

In the last ten years we’ve destroyed the race card.

Successfully attacked the credibility of the mainstream media.

Helped a majority of people see global warming as ‘debatable, not settled’...

All but eliminated standard ‘gun control myths’...

Turned the term ‘liberal’ into something liberals run away from...

Shared with Israel that NOT all Americans think like New York Times staff members...

Helped European citizens see their massive uncontrolled ‘immigration’ was created by their liberal elites to keep wages down - not to ‘help people’...

The above is a beginning... all done by conservatives with the help of people like Mark Steyn, Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, Daniel Greenfield, John Lott, freepers etc. etc... yeah, it’s rough - but we really are winning...

One more - turned the cultural tide on abortion:

CNN poll: 58% now oppose abortion in most or all cases

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131044/posts


36 posted on 03/09/2014 7:28:42 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), always currying favor with the press...."(nailed) - William Bigelow)
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To: GOPJ

While I don’t totally agree that those items you listed are conservative victories directly related to our actions and words, they are progress no doubt...

As I explained, we need to “keep on keeping on”, but battles are one thing, and the war is another. We are losing the war, and have really lost the war yet solace can be found by some in winning the skirmishes.

Conservative thinking of the kind we have here on FR is still a minority section of the GOP and we witnessed defections, as we have before, in the last presidential election.

I think that if you want to see where we will be in the short to mid term future you can look at the Tories. While they achieved control, they have done little just as when we achieved control we did the same things the democrats would do, only the democrat/light versions.

The reason is social expectations. Even here on FR I see the light versions of many of these now social experimental ideas like anthropomorphism, and other beliefs I long ago shunned as dangerous to our future.

To believe that the next election is the fix, or any election for that matter, is just not the case.


37 posted on 03/09/2014 12:41:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Valpal1

NO giving up...accurate, quite likely, but NOT unchangeable (sic)?! This IS “flyover country” over here, and the country “at large” will not stand for this.


38 posted on 03/09/2014 4:46:50 PM PDT by 88keys ("work and purpose"...election 2014!)
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To: Cold Heat

Changing the cultural perspective IS the win. The rest will follow.


39 posted on 03/09/2014 8:05:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (“Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: GOPJ
The liberal tide is coming in, not going out.

That is the point that the writer, who most of us admire greatly, was trying to make.

Not that eventual reversal is impossible, even I don't believe that, but what I do believe is that it will take a long time and/or some serious and perhaps catastrophic catalysts to cause that to happen within the near or medium term.

Near term politically to me is 5 years or less, medium term being 5-25 and long term 25-50.

Not sure what is going to happen or when...but I suspect it will not be very optimal conditions to live in and I do not believe that at this stage, it can be reversed or stopped.

40 posted on 03/09/2014 9:49:37 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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