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California store’s sale of smart guns prompts furious backlash
Washington Post ^ | March 6, 2014 | Michael S. Rosenwald

Posted on 03/06/2014 4:51:26 PM PST by Second Amendment First

The California gun store that put the nation’s first smart gun on sale is facing a furious backlash from customers and gun rights advocates who fear the new technology will encroach on their Second Amendment rights if it becomes mandated.

Attacks in online forums and social networks against the Oak Tree Gun Club have prompted the store to back away from any association with the Armatix iP1 smart gun. The protests threaten the nascent smart gun industry, which received a jolt of support recently when a group of Silicon Valley investors offered a $1 million prize for promising new technology.

The vitriol began almost immediately after The Washington Post reported last month that the Armatix iP1 smart gun was for sale at the pro shop. Electronic chips inside the gun communicate with a watch that can be purchased with the gun, making it impossible to fire without the watch. Gun control advocates, who believe smart guns could reduce gun violence, suicides and accidental shootings, marked the moment as a milestone.

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To: Second Amendment First

Dear Aimee Dewing & Smart Tech Challenges Foundation:

“that allow only authorized owners to control access to their firearms.”

This appears to be an infringement of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. viz

“to keep” = means “not to let go one`s possession or control” = Webster`s Dictionary, p460

Once the “owner” of a gun restricts that use to himself by a machine or instrument, he has lost control if he wants to let his son or nephew or relative or friend use the weapon for self-defense or even target practice or to scare off wolves here, if he is incapable, in a hurry sometimes coz wolves run pretty fast..

Even hunters switch rifles sometimes to try them out in the field. This is a no- brainer- Any company producing such owner-only weapons will probably wind up in challenges in court and spend millions of dollars in litigation.

What should be done is to put criminals who have used weapons in jail, not restrict law-abiding citizens by forcing them to use single-owner only smartweapons.
sorry nice intention but bad unconstitutional idea.

What if a cop could fire only his weapon? What if he was shot and another cop needed to use his weapon to defend himself or both? [This does not apply to military or national guard?]

Criminal wins- smartgun loses, cops dead just because of this stupoid idea. Oh this smart weapon technology does not apply to law enforcement personnel?

hmmmmm- that in itself is unconstitutional.

Criminals are usually always one step ahead of police and everyone else.

If they can hack Apple`s iPhone finger print security, they can steal and hack any -”owner-only” smartgun, reverse engineer it and be able to fire it by disabling said technology..

well duhhhhhhhh

It`s a waste of time,talent, money and a violation of the Second Amendment.

I taught my 5 brothers and sisters how to become marksmen/women from the age of 8, coz we have wolves up here preying on livestock. According to this proposal I would have to buy 5 more smart-rifles just to target practice- .

Gimme a break!
This is a stupid stupoid idea and someone has no common sense, and it ain`t me.

Nice try, but someone is headed for expensive litigation and it ain`t me.

I guess it appears none of the people at Smart tech challenges foundation was ever raised on a farm???

You`all must be appearing to be them thar city slickers that never had to protect chickens in the coop from the foxes nor goats, sheep & cattle from the wolves n coyotes..

It`s nice and eye-opening to get out into the rest of the world to see how people live elsewhere,not just in cities.
Best regards,


21 posted on 03/06/2014 5:56:13 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Billthedrill

I recall reading somewhere that if an grandfathered model is modified in any way it must get new approval.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 5:57:20 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Billthedrill

Ok, the “dumb gun” only fires when near the wrist watch.
(when the wrist watch is working)
So, the bad guy takes both.
Duh?
The future?
Like the “smart meters” of California’s utility, PG&E...or the “black boxes” Obama wants in all cars....wireless transmittal to the Govt which can “turn off” the car, utilities, the “dumb gun”, etc.

Duh?

(or the crook simply removes the electronic gizmo and retrofits it back into a normal gun...should not be rocket science)


23 posted on 03/06/2014 6:02:40 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Chode
trust your life to a battery??? not me...

you trust your life to every little part and screw in the weapon and in someone else who manufactured the live round in your chamber.

you can replace the battery every month and test the new one before you install in....for a couple of bucks.

24 posted on 03/06/2014 6:53:39 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Billthedrill
In California the firearms manufacturer has to give the state free samples

Not quite correct. The manufacturer has to supply the gun at no charge, and then has to pay for the testing, a term I use loosely, and I believe there is a fee for applying for the test. We are talking time and money here, at least in the low thousands to get a gun accepted.

Some LEOs are requiring a gun to be on the current list if you want to make it your CCW gun. My Sheriff accepts any gun that has ever been on the list. Yes you can get a CCW in CA. We have over 800 in our county with a population of 24,000.

25 posted on 03/06/2014 6:58:51 PM PST by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: terycarl
yeah, right...
26 posted on 03/06/2014 7:03:12 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: bunkerhill7
I taught my 5 brothers and sisters how to become marksmen/women from the age of 8, coz we have wolves up here preying on livestock. According to this proposal I would have to buy 5 more smart-rifles just to target practice-

no you wouldn't, you'd just leave the "watch" or whatever it is, with the rifle....anyone can use it.

27 posted on 03/06/2014 7:06:12 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Politically Correct
All cops should have one of these guns.....when they do then I'll still want a real one that doesn't have this electronic BS on it.
28 posted on 03/06/2014 7:07:22 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: terycarl
Why should I replace a battery every month?

Why not load up a revolver, place it in my nightstand and feel comfortable that in 40 years it will still fire every round.

I say this because in the mid 70s I found a revolver (S&W M1917) in my grandmother's nightstand. She said she put it there when my grandfather went to fight WWII in 1943 and never moved it since then. I took the revolver out to the range, shot the bullets that were in it, fired about 30 more rounds, cleaned it, lubricated it, refilled it with modern hollow points bullets, and put it back in her night stand. In the mid 90s, my grandmother died. I took the pistol home with me and repeated what I did in the mid 70s. It sleeps in my nightstand now. I have another S&W 1917 for target practice, so there is no need to wake my grandmother's pistol up.

29 posted on 03/06/2014 7:14:50 PM PST by fini
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To: Pollster1; All
I assume the clock is running in NJ now?

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3126027/posts?page=2

30 posted on 03/06/2014 7:34:40 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: onceone

Yeah. I’m not surprised at all. Thanks for letting me know it’s even worse than I thought... ;-)


31 posted on 03/06/2014 7:45:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: fini
Why should I replace a battery every month? Why not load up a revolver, place it in my nightstand and feel comfortable that in 40 years it will still fire every round.

the original question was why shoule I place my life on a battery....I merely suggested that you could get a brand new battery every month, obviously that would only apply to someone paranoid about the dependence of batteries.

as far as grandma's trusty fireare...great, I have several myself but you set up a scenario, so I will too.

Your family lives in a middleclass neighborhood in a large city. You leave for work every morning and your wife and young children are at home. Your wife feels secure knowing that she has a handgun and knows how to use it. She knows where it is, very handy to where she is, but in many cases the kids know where it is too. Wouldn't you feel more secure knowing that ONLY she could fire that gun? The kids can't, their friends can't, and in the unlikely event that an intruder got it away from her, ....he can't either.

32 posted on 03/06/2014 7:55:01 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: terycarl

nope cause I wouldn`t buy one watchgun never


33 posted on 03/06/2014 7:57:56 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: terycarl

And then you are still relying on a battery, and delicate electronics, that will end up being made in China once the ball gets rolling on smartgun legislation and laws. Non-electronically enhanced guns will NEVER have an electronic failure.

What is your point?


34 posted on 03/06/2014 8:07:26 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: terycarl

Wouldn’t you feel more secure knowing that ONLY she could fire that gun? The kids can’t, their friends can’t, and in the unlikely event that an intruder got it away from her, ....he can’t either.
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Mine were ‘put away’ accessible to my Wife AND Daughters. They knew how to use them and were instructed you don’t point that at anyone unless you are ready and willing to use it.

My daughters knew that it was none of their friends business where my (our) guns were, and they also knew the daughters were not going to give them access to the liquor cabinet either.

My grandkids also know how and when to use a weapon.

You can’t be ‘scared’ of guns, they are here and best to let those you love have every advantage of protecting themselves. The more restrictions you put on a ‘tool’ the sillier it looks to those who KNOW what it is about.


35 posted on 03/06/2014 8:12:08 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --In CNNs (feeble) mind, EVERYONE that doesnt ask for more Kool-Aid is bullying BO)
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To: Second Amendment First
" It’s pretty hard to undo stupid."

Like the Calif. dummies that found $10 million worth of gold coins and blabbed about it? Government claims coins in 3...2...1...blast off.

36 posted on 03/07/2014 1:44:05 AM PST by Lockbar (What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: Billthedrill

So if someone breaks in in the middle of night you need to ask them to wait while you get your watch on?

Sign me up/s


37 posted on 03/08/2014 1:26:43 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Second Amendment First

Does the smart gun also only shoot people in the arm or leg?


38 posted on 03/08/2014 1:31:36 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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