Posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:33 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
With Vladimir Putin’s dispatch of Russian troops into Crimea, our war hawks are breathing fire. Russophobia is rampant and the op-ed pages are ablaze here.
Barack Obama should tune them out and reflect on how Cold War presidents dealt with far graver clashes with Moscow.
When Red Army tank divisions crushed the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, killing 50,000, Eisenhower did not lift a finger. When Khrushchev built the Berlin Wall, JFK went to Berlin and gave a speech.
When Warsaw Pact troops crushed the Prague Spring in 1968, LBJ did nothing. When, Moscow ordered Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski to smash Solidarity, Ronald Reagan refused to put Warsaw in default.
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Thank you Nathan for your sound reasoning.
The people in public life who are most vocal about sending American soldiers to die usually never served in the military and those most willing to shame their fellow Americans for not fulfilling their limitless “international responsibilities” generally have never seen fit to take up their share by volunteering themselves for overseas service.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that.
You bet.
Generally true.
Another note: Why has nobody asked how the US would get 140,000 men home from Afghanistan if we have a war with Russia, even if it didn't go nuclear?
Another 40-50,000 NATO troops...along with more than 1/2 of their equipment.
All European countries transported their equipment there via Russian contract on Russian trains.
The Europeans have made their bed. They must now sleep in it.
Thought he was a paleimitationofaconservative, myself. Or was that a palecaricatureofaconservative? I don’t usually identify antisemites who would deign to work for MSDNC as related to US conservatism, myself.
The world becomes a lot safer with every drop of domestic and North American oil. The tree huggers who are trying to block the pipeline are the unwitting agents of the Saudis and the god of war.
Yep, make a big show of attacking the man and completely avoid discussing the idea.
How about contending with with the article or subsequent commentary rather than going after the author or those who agree with what was written?
Now wouldn’t that be rich in black irony? Kerry advocating military action against Russia? You mean the Russia that provided military aid to North Vietnam? The war that Kerry protested because the U.S. was on the side of the South? THAT Russia? Gadzooks - WWJFD (What would Jane Fonda do?)
Multi-paragraph nonsequiturs are somewhat difficult to contend with, especially when they are written by former MSNBC staff. It’s like trying to take someone like Paul Krugman seriously.
As far as our mistakes during the Cold War, committing them already made the US odious on the world stage, so repeating them will make us a real pariah if not outright laughingstock. Putin could be knocked back on his heels if we wanted him there, but instead we have the “transmissible” president who is “flexible” in Putin’s hands. The USSR is being put back together by Putin right now, and the “leaders” in DC are letting him do it, just like weak leaders before Reagan let the USSR and Red China run roughshod over 100 million corpses. Very bleak situation, especially if we do not turn to God right away.
I think that what is being discussed is a harder line with Putin. (even if it risks another cold war)
Bush did it, although it got little press coverage we did send ships and a few troops to the area and we did begin training of the Georgian’s. And we delivered aid in Military aircraft. It was a message and it was seen and listened to and as a result he pulled back a bit....not all the way but he stopped.
I think that is all we could hope for without getting too deep in the weeds.
But all we see out of Obama is baloney....lot’s of it..
I thought I was speaking relatively openly, and they are not allegations.
For the record, I cannot see a strategic objective for the U.S. in the matter. Russia has one, several, in fact, but one in particular: control of the Crimean peninsula and the force projection capabilities it confers in the Black Sea and from there to the Mediterranean. Putin will kill for that. We won't kill to stop it. End of story.
On a side note, it is with some dismay at the nuances of seniority within the U.S. Senate that gives an ignoramus such as Kerry the post of Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. The political corruption that led him to from there to Secretary of State is regrettable but understandable, although I bitterly regret stating that 0bama could not possibly find a worse Secretary of State then Hillary Clinton, and yes, by God he did just that. You know all this, I don't know why I'm bothering you. Venting, maybe.
My reaction is that the ad hominem is not of much use in determining anything besides motive, that is, he can be an absolute Nazi but he could still be right-or he could be all wrong and be as innocent as Mother Teresa.
For the record, the trade statistics between the United States and Russia, for those keeping score:
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html
2013
TOTAL 2013
Exports from US to Russia: $11,164,000,000
Imports to US from Russia: $26,961,500,000
Net Trade Balance: $-15,797,500,000
Boeing (a key US defense contractor) by their own admission:
“The Boeing Company has maintained a cooperative relationship with Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) since the era of the former Soviet Union. In the 1970s, Boeing was a part of the historic U.S.-Soviet space mission, Apollo-Soyuz, when spacecraft from both countries docked in orbit.”
To find the complete PDF online on Boeing’s website, just google:
boeing russia backgrounder
Why would a key defense contractor engage in such high-tech trade with a supposed “enemy” nation ? Obviously to the people making the real decisions, Russia is a trading partner, not an enemy.
IMHO, it makes no sense at all to bang war drums, given that it looks like globalist bankers/traders are running pretty much everything as they please while keeping the fact well-hidden (in plain sight) from the public.
And the next logical step is to find out what the 21st Century Reagan would do. And there's an answer for that at hand. Governor Sarah Palin's strategy on this matter is the one that ought to be guiding America.
Lets get some of those "Petro-Dollars" for ourselves.
Ike came under harsh criticism from conservatives for doing nothing about Hungary, and conservatives were virtually unanimous in condemning JFK for doing nothing about the Berlin Wall. It's amazing to see conservatives today citing these cases as examples as to how we should conduct foreign policy.
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