Why Russia No Longer Fears the West

Politico ^ | March 2, 2014 | Ben Judah

[caww]

......” the most important thing to keep in mind is the US, UK and EU have colluded to put in power a neo-nazi bunch of thugs. They were not elected, thus they are illegitimate.

In a democracy when you’re dissatisfied with your elected leaders you impeach them or, you wait it out until the next election when you vote for the other guy. What’s the argument in favor of the violent overthrow of a legitimately elected president? “.....

I believe there are many Americans who fail to see how the United States, Europe/Nato and the UN has used revenues, personnel, which they have organized on the grouds to incite the people, use thugs and supported them,to depose nation leaders who are not co-operative with the Globalist push for World Governance......Then they claim it’s the people seeking freedom. Then it’s seen as “clean hands”...for the politicians who push this.

It took SISI of Egypt to calm the Islamist takeover in Egypt.....and Putin in Syria.....because both these men understand that unfortunately there are many country’s people who cannot adopt to anything remotely democratic....there are simply to many tribal fractions who have no understanding of democracy....

Look at Libya, Somalia, Syria, Aphganistan, Iraq, Yemen etc. etc. and all the others where they’ve done this and the country’s are a mess...and the death tolls rise.

As much as we don’t want to admit it...and the harshness of dictatorships... they have kept those countries from all the fighting and or quickly put them down when they rose.

Our understanding of foreign nations culture and makeup cannot be compared to what we know....the mindset is much different and will never adapt.

We’ve stopped fighting wars and now are the worlds force to change the world to the Globalist demands....and it’s our men that will continue to pay the price for “re-building nations..and our revenues as well.

[Marguerite]

Check out my post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3130736/posts?page=27#27

[Marguerite]

Nothing to add.
You said it all.

[annalex]

I don’t understand what and where you are asking me to “look closer”. Yes, Ukraine exchanged its nuclear capability for territorial guarantees, and yes, the developments now entitle Ukraine to begin work on re-arming itself with nuclear weapons, and no, nuclear proliferation is not a good thing.

[annalex]

That America is turning itself into its former antithesis with the foreign policies of past several administrations, I don’t dispute at all, by the way. But I condemn the recent American policy for the same reason I applaud the Ukrainian revolution: because I am a nationalist and I want both Russian Federation and the United States to mind the interests of their own nations.

[caww]

My point is there is so much more happening, and groups operating in Ukraine then what is being reported in MSM. Here is an example..and this guys a nutcase terrorist bad guy!...but they are willing to consider these thugs...we know nothing of these militia's operating within Ukraine...but you can bet Putin does!

The leader of the 'Ukrainian radical group Right Sector', Dmitry Yarosh, has reportedly 'demanded' the country’s authorities open military arsenals for the group’s fighters. Enrique Ferro's insight:

Many of its violent acts carried out by the group have been well-documented by media and published on YouTube......The fighters used clubs, petrol bombs and firearms against the Ukrainian police....... Even after the coup, some members of the movement continued to use rifles and pistols. On Wednesday, a proposal was submitted to the Ukrainian parliament suggesting that Right Sector be pronounced a regular armed unit.

Coup-appointed Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk dismissed three deputy defense ministers over the refusal to support the proposal.

Also on Wednesday, Russia put Yarosh on an international wanted list and charged him with inciting terrorism after he urged the notorious Doku Umarov, one of the most-wanted terrorists in the world, to attack Russia over the Ukrainian conflict.

[annalex]

against the Ukrainian police

Against militarized Berkut units who used stun grenades, rubber ammo and clandestinely, live ammo, while the protests were still in a peaceful stage.

Yes, Yarosh is a nationalist and a militant with possible ties to Chechen separatists. Another allegation, if I am not confusing him with someone else, was that he had ties to the Israeli commandos. Yarosh had run military-style camps in the West. The Right Sector was instrumental in bringing the revolution to victory. Revolutions are usually done by men like that. Good for them and good for Ukraine.

[caww]

Unfortunately for the US Putin's been calling it right from the start.....and no wonder he's been doing what he has..and likely will do. If the US attempts this they will create a war in Ukrainet...Putin isn't about ready to allow our missles on his border...

With Puppit Yatsenyuk now at the helm in Kiev, Ukraine is being steered inexorably into debt bondage by the West....(another story)....BUT WORSE... this week the new Ukrainian ambassador to Belarus, Mykhailo Yeshel, 'admitted' in a media interview that loans (lures) from Washington were being offered... ON CONDITION UKRAINE PERMIT THE DEPLOYMENT OF AMERICAN MISSSLE SYSTEMS ON IT'S TERRITORY– right on the border with Russia! The emerging picture is clear. Despite all the hysterical 'nonsense' being spouted by Western leaders and their media propaganda machine, demanding Russia to «back off» from Ukraine, the Western regime-change operation in that country is not just being consolidated – it is being ramped up. http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/03/06/ukraine-washington-hysteria-towards-russia-hides-us-regime-change.html

[annalex]

Ukraine is broke and indeed it would prefer to borrow in the West.

Putin, indeed, is likely to raise the stakes for a military conflict. I’l read your link tomorrow.

[tet68]

The problem is we haven’t slagged anybody in 60 years.
Other players have figured out how to game us even
when we have superiour firepower but are constrained
to use it, and we have a short attention span.

America isn’t at war.
The Marines are at war.
American is at the mall.

[caww]

...”while the protests were still in a peaceful stage”...

do you really believe that?

I watched early on and reported right here of how the Islamist’s said “peaceful” over and over again...while their terrorists and Islamic thugs invaded Egypt....I can name that tune that's playing out in Ukraine in similar fashion...different players, same game board.

What our media is reporting is not what's going down there..regardless of how much freedom you want for Ukraine or not...that is not what is at play here at all....

Did you read Kissinger’s take on this?...not that I agreed with him on every point.... but he was right saying that Ukraine should NOT go with Nato or the EU.....He saw it and so do I....they are going to, and are already beginning to suck the very life out of Ukraine....they are not going to have the independent nation they hoped for...rather they will be controlled by the IMF and Western dictates.

The ousting of Ukraine's President followed months, if not more, of American/Nato/EU sponsored destabilization that has culminated in a new government composed of neo-Nazis and other fascist thugs. This will more and more be seen as things become more chaotic there...and other players become known. Unless Putin shuts it down.

The sense of fear which has been gripping Russians in Ukraine is not the imaginations of the Russian people or Moscow’s political rhetoric..... The cadres of ‘Svoboda’ and its ‘Right Sector’ paramilitaries’ have publicly warned of ‘ethnic cleansing’ against Ukraine’s Russian communities as well as any other perceived political enemies...and their attempts to follow through on this are barely just beginning.

THE US thinks they can control it all just like in Egypt and Syria.....it's going to majorly backfire and our leadership will walk away from this when it does....The US cannot demand Us Missiles be allowed in Ukraine without that being a direct threat to Putin's Russia...we wouldn't allow it here either.

IMO with Ukraine...they have not been hard on Putin because if things get too nasty they will “depend on Putin” to stabilize or prevent a full civil war from breaking out, because Europe isn't going to go in their, neither will NATO nor the US.......but they sure will want the oil to flow...which is why Putin will use that tool to keep them at bay.

[dfwgator]

The West is Weak.

[Marguerite]

“Putin isn’t about ready to allow our missles on his border”

“Never poke a bear in the ribs, he might get annoyed”.

[Marguerite]

“You don’t need to educate me”

Far from me the idea if doing that.
We know each other for quite a while now, and I have the utmost respect for your intellectual qualites and multiple competences.

Allow me to sum it up in a non-partisan, non-emotional, realpolitics fashion:

“Vent my folly!” - William Shakespeare

After the fall of Soviet Union, US and NATO believed that it owned the world and acted accordingly, in a ruthless way; they destabilized the whole planet Earth through their interventions.

And here they stumbled upon a tough bone they can’t chew at - V.Putin. They can’t make war to him - he has nukes. They can’t use the gimmick UN against him, he has veto power. They can’t blackmail him, he keeps Europe by its energy needs’ balls. They can’t ruin him, Russia’s soil being filthy rich, with only 10% of this richness exploited. Wait until Putin industrialises Siberia. Besides , he’s got on his side the rising economy stars India and China.

Regards

Daisy

[annalex]

OK, I read it: Ukraine: Washington’s Hysteria Towards Russia Hides US Regime Change.

Mr. Finian is entitled ho his opinion, or rather, to the Kremlin opinion on the events that he shares. The fact remains that it is Putin's unmarked (a war crime in itself) military that is occupying Crimea and yesterday attacked a Ukrainian military base. The fact is that the Ukrainian revolution, while violent, did not achieve its goals through use of force; Yanuk regime fell because it lost the support of the people, at least in Central and Western parts of the country. The fact is also that both US and Russian Federation guaranteed the territorial integrity of Ukraine. There was no clause in the Budapest memorandum about which modes of transition of power are and are not allowed in Ukraine. When a sovereign country goes through a revolution, it still remains a sovereign country.

To use the words "regime change" in this context is a leftist cliche and a lie. When the US occupied Iraq, that was a "regime change" engineered in Washington. When the US and NATO used bombers to suppress Gaddafi's military in Libya, that, too was a "regime change". When Ukrainian rebels burnt tires and lobbed Molotov cocktails at the Berkut, that was genuine popular uprising. Sympathy toward the rebels, who nevertheless armed themselves from street trash, -- is not "regime change" in the connotations anti-American left attaches to it.

I made a post (#61) about the sniper allegation. There is nothing of substance in the transcript that a pro-Putin news organization printed. Everyone is quoting, note, not the actual alleged evidence "she [...] said that as a medical doctor she can say that, the same type of bullets were used on both police and protestors", -- which is a double hearsay based on similarity of bullets, -- but rather a summary "there is now stronger and stronger understanding...", -- which is a statement of opinion. There is, maybe, "understanding" in some heads, -- there is no evidence. In a typical leftist fashion, Finian bypasses facts in order to make hysterical slogans that suit his mood. Freepers should know better.

[annalex]

government composed of neo-Nazis and other fascist thugs

Know what, just relax. You want to swear at the national uprising, that had plenty of internal motives, you are free to do so, but I cannot take hysterical statements like that seriously. At least, learn what the words you are using mean.

[bert]

If Russia no longer feared the west it would have interstates or autobahns.

No hiways thwart invasion. A Ukrainian buffer thwarts invasion

[annalex]

they stumbled upon a tough bone they can’t chew at - V.Putin

Yes, possibly, but it doesn't make me a Putin's admirer. He is a product of the Soviet system and sooner or later will end up on the trash heap where the rest of it is. When someone -- anyone, -- humiliates him and hopefully defeats him, he is bringing liberation of Russia closer.

[annalex]

You are right. The Sovs all fear the West because they know we’ll bury them. Putin, moreover, like all NKVD scum, is a coward. He’ll bluff — easy against Obama, — and then he’ll fold.

[bert]

——they know we’ll bury them——

We, meaning America, are not really the problem and never have been. The Russian enmity towards us was not because of ourselves but because we were defending the Europeans.

The fear is far more primitive. Tens of millions of Russians were slaughtered by invading French under Napoleon and then Germany under Hitler. Both failed but the cost of the lost Russian population has never been recovered. In America, we can not begin to conceive of the loss of life the Russians suffered from Napoleon and Hitler.