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Why Russia No Longer Fears the West
Politico ^ | March 2, 2014 | Ben Judah

Posted on 03/03/2014 7:25:43 PM PST by annalex

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To: annalex
The new Soviet man of 1917 has not been driven back.

No, he has been driven out.

41 posted on 03/04/2014 9:37:36 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: mac_truck
Wrong again

Why you haven't seen the machine guns displayed on the steps of the parliament building? By the unidentified thugs in military gear? You don't think that is intimidation of the electorate?

42 posted on 03/04/2014 6:11:28 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Bigg Red
I fear you are giving Europe too much credit.

Well, today something worked somewhere because Putin chickened. That is a good thing about him, he's a coward, like any Sov on a government job.

43 posted on 03/04/2014 6:13:42 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Organic Panic

The author does not ask, he is convinced. But I am not convinced and the events today bear me out: Putin was scared and backed off.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 6:15:23 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Here is what a Ukrainian thug looks like


45 posted on 03/04/2014 6:41:06 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: x_plus_one
How far will the moslem problem go before a breaking point? What about the Orthodox Church?

The "moslem problem" does not seem to concern the RF government at all, and the Moscow Patriarchate supports the government in all it does. The militant Muslims are treated as a case-by-case criminal phenomenon (much like Obama); the Muslim enclaves are bought off with generous budget outlays. The endless supply of low-wage central Asian workers in the big cities makes ordinary life intolerable for the plain folks, but the government refuses to even set up a vise regime. If you think our immigration policy is nuts, wait till you study RF's.

no protestant class in Russia

That is right, they are barely noticeable.

Will the Maidan movement topple Moscow from the inside

It will happen if and when the Russian people shake down their Soviet identity en masse. So far there is no evidence of that. Case in point: all these supposedly Russian patriots in Ukrainian lands bring red flags to their rallies and gather -- where else? -- in front of still surviving Lenin statues. The "nationalistic", -- for lack of better word rhetoric in RF is neo-Stalinist: "Kill the fascists", "Death to Banderovci". So is the level of their passion, -- they are barely awake and few people come to rallies. They are apathetic Sovs that wait for someone to fix their problems.

There were ethnic Russians in the Maidan. There are people of Russian origin that cheered it and are genuinely happy that at least the Ukies broke free. Also, a case can be made that Crimea perhaps needs an honest referendum and self-determination. But the statistical Russian looks like this:


Demonstration in Kharkiv (Kharkov) today, stopped in front of the city hall.

Observe: thin crowd, tired, past their prime looks. The Police Department overestimated them; a dozen cops would have been enough. One icon, one Soviet flag (inscribed: "USSR 2.0"), one Russian flag, two Ukrainian flags. A slogan: "Fascism won't pass". A photograph of the Berkut (Yanukovich's militarized police) inscribed "Berkut is the defenders of Ukraine from Fascists". Do they look like a Maidan material to you? They are still fighting WWII.

Entire blog post

Another demonstration:


In front of the German consulate in St. Petersburg. Feel the passion?

Source

46 posted on 03/04/2014 6:59:18 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Navy Patriot
[new Soviet man of 1917] has been driven out.

Observe the new Soviet Man on the photos in my previous post.

47 posted on 03/04/2014 7:01:08 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: mac_truck

That, in contrast, is the flower of the new born nation. God help them.


48 posted on 03/04/2014 7:02:25 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
No, this is the flower of the new born nation...see the difference?


49 posted on 03/04/2014 7:27:14 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

This is indeed a faceless thug without national insignia striking a pose in front of someone clearly not needing his antics. I see the difference. Do you?


50 posted on 03/05/2014 5:26:49 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Observe the new Soviet Man on the photos in my previous post.

Wow, there's nine of 'em, and they forgot the hammer and sickle on the flags. Strange for dedicated lifelong commies.

51 posted on 03/05/2014 6:52:49 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: annalex

Speaking of faceless thugs...reports are coming in that the Maidan snipers were actually working for Svoboda not Yanukovitch.


52 posted on 03/05/2014 7:22:25 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: annalex
So much cash dollars given to NGO's to find proxy fighters.

Ukraine's new govt is expected to fall in line with the new Euro think but the moslem problem is just going to get worse. I can't visualize Ukraine opening its arms to southern moslem types at all unless they are forced to by laws made by the new regime.

53 posted on 03/05/2014 7:58:04 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: Navy Patriot
they forgot the hammer and sickle

Yes. I notice plenty of variations on the Soviet theme in small party and organization flags. It also could be that the official Communist Party expropriated the old USSR flag. This shows that Soviet revanchism is broader than a single doctrinaire party; it's a mood rather than a platform. They just want to be feared again.

54 posted on 03/05/2014 7:10:13 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: mac_truck
reports are coming

I am sure they are coming, from the Lubyanka Street.

55 posted on 03/05/2014 7:11:50 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: x_plus_one

Ukraine doesn’t have a “moslem problem”.


56 posted on 03/05/2014 7:13:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Wrong again...its a recorded phone conversation posted on You-tube between the Estonian FM and EU high priestess Catherine Ashton, the contents of which have been confirmed.

Anyone with a pair of ears can listen to it and draw their own conclusions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

57 posted on 03/05/2014 7:45:18 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

...”Maidan snipers were actually working for Svoboda not Yanukovitch”...

Yes, and shooting both sides ta boot!

March 5, 2014........The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev,Ukraine were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister...

Quote”...It was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition....they were the same snipers killing people from both sides,” .....the Estonian FM stressed......”it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened,”......

The Svoboda reminds me so much of the Islamists who infilitrated the Egyptian Protests....who hired their thugs to shoot and set fires etc.


58 posted on 03/05/2014 9:39:27 PM PST by caww
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To: mac_truck

Interesting post from a European......

.....”I’m in central Europe and I can tell you that people feel more threatened by the disorder in Kiev, the inclusion of anti-democrats in the new Ukrainian ‘government’, and by Svoboda’s commitment to a nuclear-armed Ukraine than by the return of Russian ‘single-mindedness”....

Few realize the current Ukraine Government has Nuclear ambitions big time!


59 posted on 03/05/2014 9:50:13 PM PST by caww
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To: annalex

I think Putin will posture about the future of Ukraine... But for now will settle for the Crimean peninsula. And he’ll get to keep it, without firing a single shot in anger.

Because that’s what he wanted.

We are being taken to school, gentlemen. Best we at least learn something.


60 posted on 03/05/2014 9:58:00 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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