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Rolls-Royce believes time of drone cargo ships has come
Russia Times ^ | February 26, 2014

Posted on 03/02/2014 5:35:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

​Marine innovation engineering department at Rolls-Royce has presented a draft design of an ocean-going robo-vessel that could enter service within a decade. Experts remain highly skeptical that computers could replace human instincts anytime soon.

Rolls-Royce (RR/) Holdings Plc, which started designing autonomous cargo vessels in 2013, have presented in Bloomberg original computer design of crewless cargo ships. The vessels have a distinct difference from all modern ships: they lack any deck housing whatsoever.

"The idea of a remote-controlled ship is not new, it has been around for decades, but the difference is the technology now exists,” announced Oskar Levander, head of marine innovation engineering at Rolls-Royce, in an interview to the Financial Times last December.

The explosion in development of drones operating in all environments predetermines that robotic vehicles and vessels are going to revolutionize transportation worldwide. And for the world’s $375 billion shipping industry currently delivering 90 percent of world trade, that is going to be a hell of a challenge.

The bright outlook of saving money in commercial navigation by introducing robotic vessels keeps haunting British engineers, who want to stake a claim on being among the pioneers of drone cargo ships.

Rolls-Royce specialists realize that at the moment international regulators are not ready to embrace the idea of civil sea drones, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, so they are initiating public debate on the issue. The company is now pushing for organizing legal arrangements for the huge undertaking because without agreed international regulations on drone seafaring in place all talks about creating robotic fleet are useless: the absence of legal market would be a barrier to demand.

“There is no point us developing remote-controlled ships if there isn’t a market to sell them into,” said Levander, Rolls-Royce’s vice-president of innovation in marine engineering and technology, to Bloomberg. “We can make it happen faster technologically than we can on the regulatory side.”

“Now the technology is at the level where we can make this happen, and society is moving in this direction,” Levander said. “If we want marine to do this, now is the time to move.”

A practical step towards robotic maritime future is going to be made on local sea routes in the EU and the US, where lanes in coastal waters are operating under one jurisdiction, he predicts.

“I think it will take more than 10 years before you have all the global rules in place, but you may have a local administration that is prepared to run [robotic ships] sooner,” said Levander.

With the drone frenzy that engulfed America’s military and even internet merchandise, with Google buying robot producers and Amazon announcing drone deliveries within five years’ time unmanned maritime is inevitable, Levander believes.

“It is happening in all the other industries so it is only logical that it should happen in marine,” he said.

With computers generally increasing their roles in navigation and operations, the transition to drone ships will happen gradually, assured Levander. Container and dry-bulk carrier ships are likely to get rid of crews first, while hazardous materials such as flammable oil and liquefied natural gas will demand manned steering, because of the “perception that having people on board is safer,” he said. With time, remote-controlled ships will become even safer to operate than manned ones today, assured the Rolls-Royce expert.

The EU is currently funding 3.5-million-euro Maritime Unmanned Navigation through Intelligence in Networks project (MUNIN), similar to that of a plane’s autopilot, when one crew sets a course for vessel and leaves the ship, whereas another crew meets the vessel overseas close to the destination port and sails it to the pier.

Drone skeptics

The economies of the robotic cargo vessels are obvious: no crew costs (average $3,299 a day, or about 44 percent of total operating expenses for a large freighter, according to Moore Stephens LLP, quoted by Bloomberg), no life-support system expenses, more space for cargo in absence of a bridge, control cabin and staterooms. Apart from giving additional space for cargo, such ships would use 15 percent less fuel, according to Bloomberg.

But potential investment needed to make ships steer themselves to destination might be high enough to consider the idea financially unattractive.

“I don’t think personally that there’s a huge cost-benefit in unmanned ships today, but technologically it’s possible,” said Tor Svensen, chief executive officer of maritime for DNV GL, the largest company certifying vessels for safety standards, in early February. “My prediction is that it’s not coming in the foreseeable future.”

The UK-based International Association of Classification Societies so far hasn’t developed unified rules for unmanned vessels operation.

“Can you imagine what it would be like with an unmanned vessel with cargo on board trading on the open seas? You get in enough trouble with crew on board,” the organization’s secretary Derek Hodgson told Bloomberg in early January. “There are an enormous number of hoops for it to go through before it even got onto the drawing board.”

The London-based International Chamber of Shipping confirmed that drone ships are illegal under current international conventions. The chamber, representing over 80 percent of the global fleet, does not considering the issue serious at this point, shared spokesman Simon Bennett earlier in February.

“I’m not very much of a fan and think this is a long way off,” said Peter Hinchliffe, secretary-general of the International Chamber of Shipping.

The International Maritime Organization (IMO), the UN agency that has overseen global shipping for almost 70 years, so far hasn’t received any proposals on unmanned or remote-controlled ships, spokeswoman Natasha Brown confirmed in an email. The IMO’s regulations apply to any vessel exceeding 500 gross tons, battleships and fishing boats excluded.

Without complying with IMO regulations, no robotic ships would be considered seaworthy and eligible for insurance, stressed Andrew Bardot, secretary and executive officer of the London-based International Group of P&I Clubs, representing 90 percent of the world fleet.

Besides legal obstacles, there is a human factor as well as there are well over a million seafarers worldwide.

The International Transport Workers’ Federation, representing about 600,000 world’s skilled maritime specialists strictly oppose the innovation, warning of the “dangers posed to the environment by unmanned vessels.”

“It cannot and will never replace the eyes, ears and thought processes of professional seafarers,” maintained Dave Heindel, chairman of the ITF’s seafarers’ section in London, in an emailed statement.

While Rolls-Royce maintains that unmanned ships are going to be more resistant to pirate attacks because there will be “no crew to take hostage,” others believe the drone ships will see piracy flourish, because any remotely-controlled mechanism could be hijacked or manipulated, just like the American spy drone RQ-170 Sentinel safely grounded by Iranian military in 2011.

“Take the crews off a ship, and I will become a pirate,” wrote user rubadubdoobie in comments on the Bloomberg website.

“There are billions of dollars aboard nearly all of these ships. An unguarded ship, few security measures, billions of dollars as a sitting duck.... only a fool would NOT become a pirate, if there was literally no one to stop you or even ID you,” wrote rubadubdoobie, adding that “These ships would be an unguarded ATM sitting in the middle of the ocean.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: drones; maritime; shipping; uavs
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not really, satellite point to point isn’t vulnerable to DOS and remember they’ve already got autopilot remote control will just be for when the plan needs to be changed.


41 posted on 03/02/2014 6:29:51 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: SpaceBar

I was thinking about this the other day. No crew would have serious benefit cost and liability wise but all modern ships have mechanics and engineers aboard to fix things as they break. And on all boats, big and small, things break pretty regularly. Maintenance intensive. If these unmanned ships are to use common modern engines, drives, electronics, miles of piping and wiring, and such.....who’s going to fix them when they break?


42 posted on 03/02/2014 6:30:12 PM PST by FAA
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To: discostu

Nothing’s perfect of course and it might be possible to get it very good by means of spread spectrum. But it’s going to be a people problem. Do people want pilotless craft among piloted ones? If you are piloting another craft, how do you signal a sudden problem to the controllers of the pilotless craft?


43 posted on 03/02/2014 6:30:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: discostu

One can’t jam satellite?


44 posted on 03/02/2014 6:31:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: nascarnation

Not quite the same.
My PC is not a black market treasure trove like an unmanned freighter.

Fine, the trend isn’t going away. Enjoy you new masters filled with new power.


45 posted on 03/02/2014 6:33:39 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’d use the existing method. Pretty much the only thing people are useful for on vessels now is respond to emergencies on their vessel or others. Send the SOS the radio will pick it up, which gets transmitted to the remote operator who then responds.

People will complain about it until the next big pilot error accident. That’s always what gets buy in on decreased pilot control.


46 posted on 03/02/2014 6:35:15 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: FAA

Crews on both ends would perform repairs and maintenance. It’s just a pizza drone on steroids, but instead of a spindly little hover-copter carrying a cardboard box it’s a steel tube the size of a sperm whale packed with all manner of goodies.


47 posted on 03/02/2014 6:35:56 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why not go to remotely piloted ships using satellite data links.

That’s how we operate long range drones now.

It would be lots cheaper than a physical crew aboard and it places an actual captain in command.


48 posted on 03/02/2014 6:37:09 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s not easy, the frequencies are all over the place, and which satellite are you going to jam? There’s tons up there and at most you’re using two (the one your RC is talking to and the one the boat is talking to), and there’s probably another dozen you have access to (it’s LOS for the entire sky).


49 posted on 03/02/2014 6:38:25 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: Bobalu

I think that’s what they’re talking about.


50 posted on 03/02/2014 6:39:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: discostu

I understand that, but claiming that this ends piracy is just as silly as the folks who claimed the Titanic was unsinkable by design.

To say that this ends piracy is a bit amusing. There has always been the lure of profit in piracy and pirates have had a knack for continuing to thrive over the centuries.


51 posted on 03/02/2014 6:39:30 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SpaceBar

So, I guess they’ll be designed to limp home on back-up systems? If it’s a serious enough issue I guess a repair crew will boat or airlift out to them at sea?


52 posted on 03/02/2014 6:42:10 PM PST by FAA
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53 posted on 03/02/2014 6:42:28 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Army Air Corps

It WILL end piracy of cargo ships, mind you it will take decades for the entire fleet to be automated, but when more than 3/4 of the fleet is automated the pirates will go find their new criminal enterprise.

The lure of profit means nothing when it simply cannot be done. When they can’t take control of the vessel through computers (which of course let’s face it the current round of pirates don’t have technical skills) or violence then there CAN’T be pirates. Of course there will still be criminals, they’ll just have to find something else.


54 posted on 03/02/2014 6:42:38 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: discostu

Sufficient technology exists that without radio or satellite guidance such a ship could reach its destination using only local instrumentation and dead reckoning. If we made it to Io and transmitted back hi-res photos of the cloud canopy, we can make it to Tokyo harbor unscathed.


55 posted on 03/02/2014 6:45:37 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: discostu
which of course let’s face it the current round of pirates don’t have technical skills

Exactly. The Somali pirates and their ilk will move on to the easier pickings. Others with access to technical skill will fill the gap - it is the way of things.
56 posted on 03/02/2014 6:46:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A couple of guards with weapons?

A caretaker, maybe, or maybe someone with the skills to go manual at need. Weapons are a separate problem - many ports forbid them aboard. Hence some of the problems off Somalia. I could see a human skeleton crew as a backup, and anyway the Seafarers' and Maritime Officer unions would definitely be putting the pressure on the ship owners. That's just another hoop, IMHO, but it's there.

57 posted on 03/02/2014 6:50:06 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wasn’t certain. It sounded a bit like a pitch for a fully autonomous vessel. That’s as silly as an autonomous jumbo jet...at least given the current state of the art.


58 posted on 03/02/2014 6:50:15 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can envision adversaries utilizing submarines to sink the drone vessels without any compunction or fear of getting caught.


59 posted on 03/02/2014 6:52:36 PM PST by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: discostu

If legal and monetary constraints were removed, a contributer to hack-a-day or instructibles would have it working in no time.


60 posted on 03/02/2014 6:52:41 PM PST by SpaceBar
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