Posted on 03/02/2014 5:22:19 AM PST by reaganaut1
IT now seems certain that before too many years elapse, the Supreme Court will be forced to acknowledge the logic of its own jurisprudence on same-sex marriage and redefine marriage to include gay couples in all 50 states.
Once this happens, the national debate essentially will be finished, but the country will remain divided, with a substantial minority of Americans, most of them religious, still committed to the older view of marriage.
So what then? One possibility is that this division will recede into the cultural background, with marriage joining the long list of topics on which Americans disagree without making a political issue out of it.
In this scenario, religious conservatives would essentially be left to promote their view of wedlock within their own institutions, as a kind of dissenting subculture emphasizing gender differences and procreation, while the wider culture declares that love and commitment are enough to make a marriage. And where conflicts arise — in a case where, say, a Mormon caterer or a Catholic photographer objected to working at a same-sex wedding — gay rights supporters would heed the advice of gay marriage’s intellectual progenitor, Andrew Sullivan, and let the dissenters opt out “in the name of their freedom — and ours.”
But there’s another possibility, in which the oft-invoked analogy between opposition to gay marriage and support for segregation in the 1960s South is pushed to its logical public-policy conclusion. In this scenario, the unwilling photographer or caterer would be treated like the proprietor of a segregated lunch counter, and face fines or lose his business — which is the intent of recent legal actions against a wedding photographer in New Mexico, a florist in Washington State, and a baker in Colorado.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
“So being marginalized, being sued, losing tax-exempt status — this will be uncomfortable, but we should keep perspective and remember our sins, and nobody should call it persecution.”
The fight about homo stuff/’gay marriage’ has always been about using the power of the state to punish and to be able to keep punishing those who they know will never accept it. It’s the stick they will never have to put down.
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Exactly right. Today it is considered unacceptable to criticize cohabitation and single parenthood--no matter how much harm comes to children as a result. When "mama's boyfriend" batters a child, the only socially acceptable response is to call for more government programs for all parties. Same-sex marriage and parenting will just take us farther down that road. And its primary victims will be innocent children.
Its simple ...if the government must acknowledge, it you must acknowledge it under threat of government punishment ...
Its very 1984...
The Supreme Court has ruled 2+2=4 ....and also 5.
And any law saying 2+2=4 only, and not also 5 is discrimination ...
So all now must say this new truth IS the truth....
See in the past, you wanting to say 2+2=5 was no skin off my nose I could accept you being wrong because it didn’t hurt me...but now I must accept your fantasy...
This country started on this line....We hold these truths to be self-eviden..
That is the foundation of America. .
Destroy the very concept of there being self-evident truths .that truth is just a whim of a given moment...and all collapses
its very 1984, very new speak, to bend a man to say a simple lie, a silly lie like 2+2=5...but it how you break a freeman and a free country to be a slave....
The truth has no agenda but a lie always does. .even a silly one
There is no “after the gay marriage debate”. Gay marriage can only exist when there’s a total redefinition of marriage. The fact that we’re instituting it means marriage in our society is near deaths door and leaches are attaching themselves to the carcass. In the end, gay marriage = no marriage and no marriage = societal death.
People who care about their families should probably get out. I generally think India is one of the better places.
That's what it's all about, and we surrendered without a fight when we started using their word "gay". The American people for many years have routinely voted for "homosexual-friendly candidates and shall continue to do so.
We’re being subjected to the tyranny of a 2.5 percent minority.
The long sought destruction of the Catholic Church is what this is about in the US and Europe. Once the wellspring of Western Culture is destroyed, the Mongols will be free to conquer Europe and India again. The end result will be less tolerance for “alternate lifestyles”.
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Not just the Catholic Church. They want to destroy any religious tradition that speaks the truth about this abnormal behavior. And they know that the destruction of the family and of religious faith will lead to their ultimate leftist goal, i.e., complete domination of the individual.
Time for the total weirdoes to come out. How about incest? I want to marry my brother, we are too old to have children, so why not? We are two consenting adults and we love each other, isn’t that the argument?
I had so hoped that by this time into the argument the opposing side would have realized the egregiousness of the actions being taken against our Bill of Rights.
I had hoped that they would realize that once limitations to our Rights under the Bill of Rights was common, that this would be a double edged sword that could cut their way too.
Sadly, they do not yet seemed to have realized this. That is what scares me!
Marriage was created by God, marriage does not exist without a man, a woman and God.
Ecc 4:12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
I wonder if “homosexual activists” really aren’t Liberal Activists and they just see this as something to target other Americans about.
Some say when they meaning the SCOTUS tossed the Sodomites laws out, that is what opened up the doors to where we are going now.
Also, I thought India just recriminalized homosexuality so there was a court verdict that stood for a few years, I read an article on it the other day.
I for one believe we are on the verge of the worldwide conflagration foretold to us by Our Lady, beginning with the Fatima apparition and continuing through the Akita, Japan apparition. In both of those appearances of Our Lady, she warned that if mankind did not repent that great wars would happen and later on whole nations would be annihilated.
Clearly the United States is beginning to lose it’s moral compass and we now have legislators that rule against the will of the people. The worldwide rejection of God and His word is setting the stage for what I believe, and have read about, is a 3rd world war and persecution of Christians worldwide.
The message from Our Lady, Akita, Japan, 1973. This apparition has been deemed worthy of belief by the Church.
The third message on October 13, 1973, the actual anniversary of the final visions and miracle of Fatima is as follows:
“As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful.
The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
“The demon will rage especially against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them.”
There are many other prophecies by catholic saints throughout history which point to this worldwide lawless, immoral period.
The message is the same, make reparation to God, repent and get ready, it’s going to get uglier.
People may say—as I DO— I will NOT comply!— As Peter and the other Apostles answered the unjust Judge “We ought to obey God,rather than men”(Acts 5:29) As Samuel West Preached in 1776 On the right to Rebel—when the magistrates begin to call evil good and good evil (reflecting a Bible verse) they cease to be the ordinance of God,and are the ministers of darkness .Our duty to obey—or sustain them ceases and it is our Duty to resist and oppose them whenever possible.’(in paraphrase-with my apologies to Samuel West) Once I believed in America and Americans— Now? — I fear I’ve seen too many sheep without a shepherd going along just to get along.
Yes, and a ceremony which also represents the covenant between Christ and His church.
When two flesh become one, it is very clear husbands love your wives and wives honor your husbands.
So no matter what anyone calls it otherwise, marriage as ordained by God is one man and one woman.
Yeah, I think you’re exactly right.
“But it’s still important for the winning side to recognize its power. We are not really having an argument about same-sex marriage anymore, and on the evidence of Arizona, we’re not having a negotiation. Instead, all that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.”
Not only in the battle not lost, the war against the pro sodomite forces is not lost. In fact, Pro Family Christian forces can still win but must catch-up with other nations that have drawn and defended reasonable battle lines against the Gay Insurgents.
The 14th Amendment should be repealed or at least revised to exclude gays from being granted Equal Protection.
In addition, the Constitution should be amended to include an Amendment banning gay marriage, gay civil unions, gay adoption, gay workplace protection, and gay propaganda in our media.
You summed up the situation very well. In a way, we’re the unfortunate ones who know 2+2=4 no matter what anyone else says. Maybe if we could believe in the fantasy, it would be easier to not care, but we KNOW 2+2=4. Maybe they’ll eventually send us to reeducation camps, but I doubt it will help me. Of course, with modern technology, maybe they’ll be able to fix us unfortunate believers in Truth.
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/18.html
God help us!
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