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To: Windflier
<>There's still a slim chance that we can win our country back by working within the system.

Agree, but not solely via semiannual elections.

<>I watch what Senator Ted Cruz has done almost single handedly, and wonder what ten more like him could accomplish on Capitol Hill.

Sure, a government filled with men like Cruz would be wonderful. However, supplying only virtuous men to govern us is not realistic.

<> Leftist judges. Uniparty. Obama’s power grabs.

<>There's over a hundred years of subversion and intentional destruction to turn back and undo, . . .

That is your money quote. It is what must be done. Everything else is an irrelevancy. So the problem is how to undo what 100 years of elections have done. I doubt future national (not federal) elections can possibly reverse the mess we are in. Elections cannot put the consolidated government of Washington DC back in its box. As you say, there is a fetid crust of court decisions, and executive power grabs that elections cannot counter.

So, outside of more elections in which we vote conservative when we can, what is to be done?

132 posted on 02/27/2014 10:37:11 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie
"There's over a hundred years of subversion and intentional destruction to turn back and undo, . . ."

That is your money quote. It is what must be done. Everything else is an irrelevancy. So the problem is how to undo what 100 years of elections have done. I doubt future national (not federal) elections can possibly reverse the mess we are in. Elections cannot put the consolidated government of Washington DC back in its box. As you say, there is a fetid crust of court decisions, and executive power grabs that elections cannot counter.

So, outside of more elections in which we vote conservative when we can, what is to be done?

I saw your last response before this one. It's a more complete question that requires a more complete answer.

We're obviously on the same page here about the degraded state of our federal institutions, how they got that way, and what an enormous struggle it will be to turn them back to their former constitutional state of being.

Jackie, I've become convinced that we're out of time to restore the country in the fashion we'd prefer. The methods the Framers laid down are purposely slow and tedious. They were designed to work with a government inhabited by moral and conscientious patriots - not subversive leftists bent upon undermining and overturning everything the Founding stands for.

I believe we've arrived at a point in this country where the citizens are going to have to put on some monumental act of defiance to force the government to heel. As I said in my previous post, it'll take something like a massive and sustained protest in DC by ten million just to get them to hear us.

What we need is a wholesale resignation of the whole government. That includes every elected office holder, every congressional appointee, and every federal bureaucrat down to the entry level. I mean an entire house cleaning sweep. As they say, 'nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.'

But what would it take to cause the entire federal government to resign? I don't know the exact measure of force required to achieve such a thing, but I do know it would have to be more overwhelming than anything our government's been faced with before.

I think a lot of people would conclude that only a full scale rebellion could bring enough force to bear to accomplish such a thing. They may be right, which would be unfortunate, because it portends an ugly finish to the current internal squabble our country's engaged in.

At the same time, I don't see any other conclusion to the cold war we're in, except for secession by several red states. Eventually, I think most people are going to see that as the only way to peacefully end the growing hostilities between left and right.

The left isn't going to give in, and neither or we, so where will this all end? Given that today's Americans have no stomach to kill millions of their fellows over the concept of union, I think the idea of secession will grow. It will be a divorce due to irreconcilable differences, in my opinion.

One way or another, the thing will come to a head, and I'd rather see a peaceful split than millions of dead Americans on our own soil.

169 posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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