Posted on 02/19/2014 3:41:55 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
One of the jurors who convicted Michael Dunn of attempted murder after he fired into an SUV during a fatal argument over loud music believes he should have been convicted of first-degree murder.
"I believed he was guilty," Valerie said in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" early Wednesday. Also known as juror No. 4, she asked that her full name not be given in order to protect her identity.
A jury on Saturday night convicted Dunn of three charges of attempted murder for shooting at three teenagers in an SUV and one count of shooting into the vehicle on November 23, 2012.
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First-degree...means you planned this out, and you knew precisely what would occur. Second-degree...means you just did it on the spur-of-the-moment, and there was no intent or plan in progress. So, it’s hard to imagine anyone coming up to a first-degree verdict.
If folks aren’t happy with the process...they can go to North Korea and just throw some dice on the floor to figure your verdict, and wait to be shot...with the innocent or guilty vote.
Weren’t there jurors in Zimmerman who thought he was guilty too? This is more media nonsense designed to fan the flames.
I wonder if there would be so much outrage if the defendant was black.
First degree means you had intent. That intent can be formed in an instant. When Dunn RETURNED to his car to GET HIS GUN that is intent. He could have just returned to his car and been upset.
As much as I am not fond of mouthy youth, I have never thought that pointing a gun at a car full would end well
Today the letters to editor all support removing the law so I guess one cannot argue with one with more ink then they have and expect to be heard.
The next day when he saw TV reports that the guy died, Dunn STILL did nothing. L/E then tracked him down.
Anyone who leaves the scene of a crime is automatically guilty, according to L/E.
I have, previously, gotten in trouble for saying this in a less than politically correct manner so I will say it as politely as possible. There are really no circumstances where I can see myself approaching a black male or group of black males out on the streets and initiating any kind of conversation with them for any reason and I am quite happy to have them extend the same courtesy to me. This is especially true for groups of young black men. I will say it again. I will NEVER EVER under any circumstances approach a black man or a group of black men and initiate ANY kind of conversation with them because this is the kind of trouble that it leads to in this exceedingly hostile era. Call it racist if you want but I call it common freaking sense.
Common sense is racist these days. One must view the world through melanin-colored glasses.
He had several options....could have just returned to his car.....or he could have notified L/E about the noisy kids, and let them handle it.
That’s just how they want things to be. But I agree with you.
I agree. Leaving the scene was moronic.
My understanding is that Dunn was parked next to the teens and never left his car prior to the shooting.
Angela Corey argued the fact that Dunn reached into his glove box, removed a handgun then chambered a round before shooting met the 'intent' requirement for the first degree murder charge.
“This is more media nonsense designed to fan the flames.”
Yep, I live in J’ville and thats exactly what the local media is doing. A few days ago there was supposed to be a “protest” in the form of people riding around with there music blaring for “justice for jordan”. The local media was reporting it would be using social media to help get the word out. If that ain’t stirring it up, I don’t know what is.
The killer got what he deserved. Case closed.
yeah, this guy is guilty.
I agree the way he acted afterwards proves it.
Returning to your car and getting your gun does not prove intent to murder. It could prove intent to scare, attempt to detain until police arrive, etc.
Funny that this case didn’t get more traction, since it was certainly more clear-cut than the Zimmerman/Trayvon situation.
2nd degree would have been a lock.
Angela Corey must deliberately overcharge to assure acquittal and the accompanying outrage from the low-information types.
” full court press on here in Florida to remove the Stand Your Ground law.”
Exactly, and it started well before the verdict. I heard a discussion of this case on NPR by an anti-SYG activist (actually two of them, the host and the guest) on the first day of the trail. No need for evidence, no need to distinguish between trying to use a SYG defense and succeeding — SYG was GUILTY. Guilty verdicts on the attempted murder charges make it clear that the jury did not think SYG applied and the law “worked”. First Degree murder was another Corey overcharge — the woman either can’t understand the law or is pathologically dishonest in her strategy. Maybe she wants to stir up riots and mayhem to build her business. She needs to go.
The rabble-rousers’ logic in the Dunn case makes me wonder how they feel about the classic “alibi defense”. Some defendants try to use fake alibis, the jury doesn’t buy them, and the defendants are convicted. Therefore “alibi defenses” should be illegal.
I saw this juror on ABC this morning —
She said that the jury was divided 9 to 3 on the murder one count with 3 holding out for self defense.
It’s hard to understand their agreement on the other counts but inability to find a compromise on this one.
It would be nice to hear from one of the other three — did they really believe that he had a gun in the vehicle or were they just being absurd to make apolitical point against Stand Your Ground.
The reason I say this is because of the interview with Davis’s parents following this lady’s interview. His parents said that justice will have been achieved for her son when Stand Your Ground is amended — not when Dunn is convicted of her son’s murder.
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