February 17, 2014: Supreme Court may rule on guns outside the home, 9:23 p.m. EST

USA TODAY | February 17, 2014 | Richard Wolf

[neverdem]

Here's the link.

[Secret Agent Man]

it will be everyone’s duty to disregard such a ruling.

[Secret Agent Man]

to say you can’t defend yourself from people outside your home is crazy. there’s a lot more dangerous people outside your home. to say ‘then don’t leave your house’ deprives one of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and turns home into prison.

[bunkerhill7]

HOW TO DEAL WITH DOMESTIC TRAITORS

“Emerson Corliss agreeable to an act of the Legislature of Vermont passed on the 6th of November 1812. Met at dwelling house of Gideon Tuxbury in Newbury on the 4th day of March AD 1813 for the purpose of choosing the officers to fill said company.

Original owned by Hon. Henry C McDuffie

Bradford Emerson Corliss,Captain
Nathan B Taplin, Sergeant
James Davis, 1st Lieutenant
James McDuffie, Corporal
Daniel Leslie, 2d Lieutenant
Benjamin Rowe, sergeant

John McDuffie Sergeant
Mannasser Leach
Eben S McFarlin sergeant
Moody Grow, Corporal
Thomas Hilands sergeant
Samuel Grow Ensign
John McDuffie Sergeant
Mannasser Leach sergeant
Eben S McFarlin sergeant
Samuel Grow Ensign

privates:

Ephraim Aldrich James M Hinds Suas Aldrich Aseph Hyde Isaiah Batchclder
Elijah Howard John G Bayley Timothy Heath Abner Bayley
William Kinnard John Bayley William Ladd Samuel Chapman Moses Mills
Jacob Colby James Martin John Corliss John Martin Nathan Colbv David Manson
Timothy Corliss Humphrey Nichols John Carter Moses Page Nathl H Cunningham
John Putnam Fenno Dean Stephen Rogers Benjamin Duty Billy Stearns Timner Dodge
Peter Severance Nathan Dustin Silas Sweet Jr Lemuel Fuller Jr Jonas Taplin
John Gaffield William Wilson

John Bradford 5th March 1813 Honored Sir:
In obedience to your commission I have enlisted good and effective privates and have led them to a choice of officers on the 4th instant and all agree to stand ready at a moment’s warning at the call of our country and that no lines shall stop us if we are called either against foreign enemies or DOMESTIC TRAITORS and all agree to obey the orders of their superior officers according to the rules and articles of war. I have herewith sent you a copy of the
enlistment and the names of the several persons enlisted out of whom James Davis of Topsham was chosen first Lieutenant, Daniel Leslie of Bradford second Lieutenant and
Samuel Grow of Newbury ensign. All of them have accepted their appointments and if you would be so good as to send to each of them their commissions as soon as possible.
I should be pleased This from your friend who will always endeavor to stand ready in obedience to your call.
John McDuffee [MY CAPS]

To his Excellency Jonas Galusha Gov of the State of Vermont
NB Please to direct the commissions if forwarded to the Post Office Bradford. This was a company of Minute Men which enlisted to be called upon in case of an emergency but not having been needed it was discharged at the close of the war in 1815. The captain of the company Emerson Corliss was an old Revolutionary hero. He enlisted when he was only seventeen years of age and was in the battles of Bunker Hill, Trenton, Princeton, Bennington, Stillwater,
Saratoga, and many others. He was twice wounded and at the battle of Bennington. seven balls were shot through his coat and one through his hat. Mrs. PS Chamberlin of Bradford and Mrs RW Chamberlin of Newbury are his granddaughters.” p410

A “Company of Independent Militia marched to Fort Ticon deroga under the command of Captain Thomas Johnson in 1777 and assisted in the siege of Mount Independence” p.404

“History of Newbury, Vermont: From the Discovery of the Coös Country to he Present Time.”
edited by Frederic Palmer Well

[neverdem]

Parker was renamed Heller for DC's appeal to SCOTUS. Heller was deemed as having standing.

Why You Should Care About Parker v. District of Columbia

"We also note that at least three current members (and one former member) of the Supreme Court have read "bear Arms" in the Second Amendment to have meaning beyond mere soldiering: "Surely a most familiar meaning [of 'carries a firearm'] is, as the Constitution's Second Amendment ('keepand bear Arms') and Black's Law Dictionary . . . indicate: 'wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person." Muscarello v. United States, 524 U.S. 125, 143 (1998) (Ginsburg, J., dissenting, joined by Rehnquist, C.J., Scalia, J.,and Souter, J.) (emphasis in original). Based on the foregoing, we think the operative clause includes a private meaning for"bear Arms."

[neverdem]

Thanks for the history!

[Redcloak]

The ruling in Heller was specifically about the Washington DC ban on firearms in the home. Thus Scalia limited himself to that narrow aspect of the 2nd Amendment. The self defense aspect is part of the reasoning that the 2nd Amendment is, and always has been, about firearms ownership for personal defense. In Peruta, the 9th Circuit made it clear that any previous rulings, particularly the post-Miller rulings, that do not view the 2nd Amendment in that light are not valid and were not part of their deliberations. From there, they reasoned that the right to a means for self defense could not be reasonably limited to the home. California law, by denying any means for carrying a firearm for self defense to the vast majority of citizens in places like SD County or LA County, violates that right.

[freekitty]

Exactly. Getting very tired of idiots twisting things.

[willywill]

I don’t think it’s all that bad. let’s say they rule only in the home, not good, but, arms can still be stockpiled for use against tyrants, the only thing that really matters.

[ZULU]

When analyzing this article, consider the source - its a left wing rag.

Stare Decisis.

[Ken H]

"9:23 p.m. EST"

On what date? :)

[Ken H]

oops - meant to reply to post #1

[unread]

No one “gives” us liberty...liberty is something we must “take”...

[unread]

THAT is a photo that should make ANY American patriots blood run cold....!

[KoRn]

If they rule against a right of having a firearm outside the home(self defense), the Congress should remove funding for every Federal Marshal and security detail at the SCOTUS and Federal Courts that ruled against us. We’ll see how they enjoy being exposed to the same world as we are.

[Faith65]

bfl

[gitmo]

Are we to be instructed that the right of self defense is conditioned on one’s location?

We know it is void if you are inside a womb.

[Joe Boucher]

with a CCW I’m going in to ANY city situation without my Kimber?
I don’t think so.
You think the police can or will protect you?
Ask all those who’ve been assaulted by these criminals.
Trevon had it right.

[NFHale]

Thanks for posting this, neverdem.

[jda]

I'm sure the Founders didn't intend guns to be carried outside the home - they knew you can have a "well-regulated militia" without leaving the home. Afterall, wasn't the Revolutionary War fought from inside homes - hmm, maybe not.

Fyi - male citizens were required to own firearms to fight against the British. I'm sure the intent was that they never be taken outside the home???

[tomkat]

I've read and read and read the 2nd Amendment.

I've cleaned my glasses thoroughly and read and read and read the 2nd Amenment.

For verification, I've asked others to read and read and read the 2nd Amendment.

To be fair, we'll keep looking, but so far none of us has been able find mention of 'permit' anywhere therein.

Imagine that !