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1 posted on 02/15/2014 6:12:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Folks, this so called drought in the CA central Valley is PURELY MAN MADE.

Remember this : the Central Valley farmers is that had water taken from them by a federal judge, who put a baitfish ahead of human beings.

Central Valley’s water-management system was designed to deal with droughts that last as long as five years, but the reservoirs that held its lifeblood got emptied into the ocean to rescue the Delta smelt.


2 posted on 02/15/2014 6:14:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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We drove down I-5 in the fall of 2009. From Los Banos to Bakersfield we saw numerous yellow signs that said ‘Congress Created Drought’. I hope this story spreads across the country. And it is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Are any Dem Congresscritters affected by it?


6 posted on 02/15/2014 6:26:17 PM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: SeekAndFind

FUBO!!


11 posted on 02/15/2014 6:32:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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hey! didn’t someone make a big top 40 hit regarding that it never rains in California?


12 posted on 02/15/2014 6:42:33 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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Yep -- the water shortage for agriculture is purely man-made in terms of irrigation.

But what I'm seeing in California this year is different than I have ever seen in my lifetime, and I've lived here more than half a century (I've been five years old more than 11 times, if that tells you anything! ;^).

This is the first time in my lifetime, and as well in my mom's lifetime, and she's been here for 85 years, that we haven't seen green hills this time of year.

Spooky.

But it's not the first time it's been this dry, and it won't be the last.

15 posted on 02/15/2014 6:48:54 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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I wish I could find the famous photo of SOME farmers in the valley who stopped some local diversion...themselves..some years ago.


16 posted on 02/15/2014 6:49:08 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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By now it should be cristal clear that or ferral government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the ChiComs ,Mexican drug lords, the Saudis, and international bankers.

And the goal of this cabal is the utter destruction of America’s means of production, confiscation of her wealth, and finally the complete elimination of her people, in order to turn the USA back into a 3rd world colony, never again able to challenge a feual system which has dominated the majority of human history.


17 posted on 02/15/2014 6:51:33 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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Sounds like Russia to some extent. They were starving with permanent drought since 1920 into late 1990s importing all the grain they could.
Since 2009 or so they are a major exporter, for the first time since 1913.
Is it globull warming or what? /s


21 posted on 02/15/2014 7:04:50 PM PST by cunning_fish
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There’s nothing wrong with California ten million less foreign gullets wouldn’t fix.

What did they think was going to happen, allowing millions more people to move here in short order, that now need to drink and utilize water we didn’t have back ten to twenty years ago.

And now the Republican GOPe leaders are pumping the same dry well.


22 posted on 02/15/2014 7:10:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is an email I recently sent a friend in Aptos, CA:

Dear Liberal Friend:

As this situation worsens I would like to remind you that the “uncaring” conservatives were the ones who wanted to conserve CA water.

In addition to liberal groups suing the state to let water from dams flow into the ocean, (google for example “delta smelt” which is NOT a native California species), they killed the Auburn Dam Project in the 70’s and 80’s which would have TRIPLED the amount of reserve water in CA.

Anyone in their right minds would be in favor of the project looking at historical rainfall patterns.

So as you walk into the bathroom and are confronted with toilets that need to be flushed, I would like you to think of the crap that REALLY needs to be flushed in California, which is liberal policies and politicians.

All the best...


23 posted on 02/15/2014 7:20:29 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: SeekAndFind

When I hear about the things Progressives do, the thought “kill your parents and bemoan the fact that you are an orphan” comes to mind.


24 posted on 02/15/2014 7:39:27 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Anything regarding this administration ..... remember I told you so first!)
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"Never let a good crisis go to waste..."


25 posted on 02/15/2014 7:42:19 PM PST by logi_cal869
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signs all over the central volley have it right.... the bust bowl that congress created


26 posted on 02/15/2014 7:53:35 PM PST by Nifster
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To: SeekAndFind
Victor Davis Hanson, A Tale of Two Droughts
28 posted on 02/15/2014 8:49:48 PM PST by TChad
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This is a kindergarten understanding of what is going on in the Central Valley. Here's what I had to say about this topic in 2009:

George Miller is foisting the setup for his globalist buddies in the real estate business to get cheap water for the cities they're going to build. This will work just like BART did in the Bay Area. You can bet that the first farmers to feel the heat will be those with a site for a potential insta-city near a station for the "maglev" (massive subsidy #2). The goal is a Central Valley that has a large population but grows no food, a chain of Sustained Developments, each with a transportation/utility jugular that is effectively a gun to the people's heads. Oh but they'll get lots of "Nature" all around them (aka "no man's land"). It'll be paradise! (cough!) All they need is customers. No problemo.

The key fact is that water is more valuable for development than it is for agriculture. As long as that is true the crooks in the "investment" business are going to tweak things against farming. They're "investing" in farming overseas in "places more appropriate for farming (see "comparative advantage" and "free trade"). So they get the trade agreements they want, push those annoying owners off their land, so that they come running to cities, including here, looking to be the customer base for their housing. That they'll subsidize exactly the same way they are doing now using your tax dollars to feed, clothe, educate, and medicate their brainwashed children up to speed, you know, until things are "fair." They'll make better slaves because they already know the score. Americans are too deluded with relic ideas of "freedom" to be quite as useful.

You really didn't think that Democrats like Pat and Jerry were going to let the "wrong people" make money did you? They got the farmers to pony up the cash for the construction of this massive investment subsidy, by teasing them into salivating at a profit in real estate. They got the farmers to pay for the infrastructure and let them hold the bag until the big boys saw the right time. They had to wait until they were finished building out the desert anyway. The recession plus the idiot voters wishing up a passenger train boondoggle presents exactly such an opportunity.

Smelt, smelt, oh no, the smelt are dying... uh, the farmers are still hanging on... Oh steelhead, salmon, oh the humanity!!! (they're more photogenic anyway.) So it goes. I'll bet whoever wrote that biological opinion will end up running a lab.

29 posted on 06/09/2009 7:27:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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At the time I forgot to mention Catellus and Richard Blum, and I didn't know about the way they use CalPERS to bankroll the game (and hold the bag if it goes bad), but the rest of it is playing out pretty much as predicted.
30 posted on 02/15/2014 9:35:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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32 posted on 02/15/2014 9:51:06 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Colorado: the Maryland of the Mountain West)
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the problem is that the claims of the central valley farmers and their supporters are only HALF right

it’s true that certain “environmental” concerns are receiving 100% of what the state designated as their portion of water, and the central valley is getting maybe 40% of it’s designated allotment

HOWEVER, even if all water interests in the state got an equal % of their regular allotments, there would still be shortages, because there has been and continues to be drought, in terms of the amount of water California had gotten use to receiving and what it has been getting in recent years.

Yes, the drought is more severe in the southern part of the state - always dryer than the north in good or bad years, in terms of water - but, the state resevoirs are a gage on the drought and a majority are at some stage of drought status and many have been for a number of years.

California has experienced large scale multi-year drought conditions, moderate to severe - 1918-20, 23-26, 28-35, 47-50, 59-62, 76-77, 87-92, 2000-2002, 2007-2009; and in terms of precipitation 2013 was the driest on record. A majority of the state’s resevoirs are at some level of drught status.

Yes - the Liberal ideolgoues and environmental nazis have made the problem for farming worse than it needed to be under the present conditions.

My point is that correcting that will not create the water conditions the state, and the farmers have been used to.

Solutions like desalinization plants are what is needed, or their will never be enough water to satisfy all interests in California, particularly through the dry years. That kind of solution is needed in the southern part of state as well, because the watershed that feeds the Colorado River has not been delivering the kind of quantities that were abundent when the Hoover Dam was built. There is some concern that its hdroelectric generation capacity may be threatened, if drought conditions continue or become more severe.

California has water problems up and down the state.

The pols and ideolgoues have made matters worse for the farmers, worse than needed to be.

But, their actions are not creating the drought, they just make the drought that is worse for some of state’s water interests.


38 posted on 02/15/2014 11:23:27 PM PST by Wuli
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SoCal liberals cling bitterly to their seldom used pools as the nations food supply goes thirsty.

39 posted on 02/15/2014 11:42:07 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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There should be riots ever this. The solution is easy, short term, and has been done before.


43 posted on 02/17/2014 6:37:54 AM PST by alrea ( By progressive they mean costs.)
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new water source in north san diego county

Instead of the high speed train we should be building 5-6 of these plants.

Here’s some info on desalinization

http://www.pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/desalination_report3.pdf

Carlsbad Cal is building a plant which is slated to open in 2016, 16 years after the proposal was approved by the city. Administrative hearings and court processes in which environmental groups got several bites of the apple trying to shoot it down.

It will suppjy up to 10% of the county’s water.

What happens to the salt?

The desalination plant typically uses three kilograms of seawater to produce 1 kilogram of fresh water. The extracted salt dissolves in the excess sea water used in the process to form so-called brine. The brine is returned to the sea where it is diluted again in its natural medium.

Can salt be recovered?

The usual desalination processes do not provide for such recovery. Whereas they concentrate seawater 1.5 times, recovery of salt would require seawater to be concentrated ten times. Under such conditions the first crystals would appear in the brine. This would require a lot of energy and cannot be justified on an economic standpoint. Today whenever a large surface area is available close to a sunny seashore, salt pans, which make use of solar energy, are still the best method of salt production.


45 posted on 02/17/2014 6:50:27 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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