Posted on 02/12/2014 10:25:08 PM PST by Olog-hai
A new bill was recently introduced in the Tennessee State Legislature that, if passed, would allow people and businesses to refuse to provide goods and services to homosexuals.
It was filed by State Sen. Brian Kelsey, who represents Memphis and Germantown.
The bill notes that businesses can refuse services and goods only if it furthers a civil union, domestic partnership, or same-sex marriage. The person or business would just have to say it was against their religion. …
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxmemphis.com ...
Jim Crow was LEGISLATED. It was governmentally COERCED.
This had nothing to do with individual white bigots not wanting to serve a black clientele. Such bigots would soon get punished by the market. They’d lose customers... DUH!
Do you think the bus company really wanted to force Rosa Parks out of her seat. I say no. That was an evil they were put up to by a government... and that of DEMOCRATS, by the way.
“This had nothing to do with individual white bigots not wanting to serve a black clientele. Such bigots would soon get punished by the market. They’d lose customers... DUH!”
So how do you explain exclusive real estate covenants that were entered into voluntarily by private parties, with no legislation or government coercion, for the sole purpose of perpetuating segregation? Or the systematic segregation in other areas that were not mandated by law, such as professional sports?
The system was put in place by the majority of the people, voluntarily, and the legislation was just formalizing and giving legal sanction to it
They would eventually end up punishing themselves too, and those who dared to break would be rewarded.
Sounds like a fitting way to address the issue. The free market addresses a plethora of problems quite well.
I believe that these are not the majority of the cases of actual discrimination. I’d say the government has been far worse a bane than boon in this picture. It should be wrong to bind a real estate owner NOT to deal with a certain class of people. But that’s different than REQUIRING him to deal with that class. If dealing with gays brings blessings, those who don’t deal with gays will be cursed. Logical?
And anyhow you can’t really outlaw free choice. It will keep on exercising itself, but under the table. Excuses will be made. Much better that “discrimination” that is voluntary be expected to show its face. If you don’t inscribe cakes for “gay marriages” fine. Say so. Let the market sort out what is good or bad discrimination. Not the government.
Ultimately, Boogie... the market system contains its own incentives for people to behave decently. Money talks, and black money talks as loud as white money does. That will soon get people to forget any negative ideas about black people if those ideas are, in fact, false. If black people band together to do evil things in the name of blackness, that is going to make them less attractive. A color blind market with free choice would probably encourage black people to act better.
Also why are you whining about sports. For most sports, black athletes have almost stolen the show, and out of merit, and that’s how it ought to be!
You sound like a lame liberal.
“They would eventually end up punishing themselves too, and those who dared to break would be rewarded.”
Yes, eventually maybe, but humans can resist market forces for quite a while, simply because we don’t always act in our rational self-interest.
“And anyhow you can’t really outlaw free choice.”
I don’t think we should outlaw free choice. However, we shouldn’t turn a blind eye to the problems that can arise when free choice is exercised, that’s all.
“Also why are you whining about sports.”
Whining? Offering a counter-example to your flawed argument is not whining.
“You sound like a lame liberal.”
If you can’t have a civil conversation, then we’re done. Throwing out insults means you have conceded.
You have not offered any kind of counter example.
And yes, you need to look at yourself long and hard in that mirror and compare yourself to liberals. I am accurate and you know it.
What about the black population who refused to be served by Trader Joe’s in Oregon? That was a business who was barred from doing the trade it wish to do because some minority was offended.
I mean, now the left can have it BOTH ways? Dictating who is forced to serve and who is forbidden to serve?
I don’t know enough about that incident. I believe in personal identity based upon merits, not color or appearance, per se. One of the best Math teachers I had in college was a black guy. His favorite expression for answering a problem was ‘let’s draw a picture’. I admired him for his meritorious work which had nothing to do with his race. Now, race is more important and sexual degenerate preference is more valued. That is a sick aspect of what ‘tolerance’ and ‘diversity’ have brought to America. It also tends to institutionalize an aversion to excellence, which does the opposite of developing peoples’ potentials.
“On the other hand, perhaps HiTech has identified you correctly, and that frosts your craw to be exposed at this conservative website.”
Yeah, whatever. Go mumble to yourself about this new theory for all I care.
“You have not offered any kind of counter example.”
I never tried to offer a counter example. If you had bothered to check my other posts on the thread, or any others on the subject, you’d already know that I’m against forcing anyone to do business with someone against their conscience.
Yet, you seem bent on jumping to conclusions and calling me a liberal simply because I pointed out that sometimes, freedom has consequences. I think you just want to argue, so why not go find a real liberal to argue with?
You seem to be shooting doubt all around yourself. You have less form and structure in your statements than a will-o-the-wisp. Begone.
And you know... saying someone is “acting like a modern liberal” is something I don’t do lightly.
Because, for one thing, many people are complex and I can vouch personally for how difficult it is to be truly self consistent. I think I’m approaching it closer than I did in the past, but I am by no means at perfection (that will have to wait for another world).
But Boogieman really does look like a shifting shadow projector. Time to turn on the floodlights. It’s because bigots managed to hang their hat on the excuses of a government (and less so, on unfortunate church preaching that took the bible to wild distortions) that racism got perpetuated as badly as it did. Let dealing with people of a race be free by choice (which is the last shadow we got from Boogieman) and equality will shortly result by merit.
the argument needs to be made into one of religious liberty and protection against govt over reach. otherwise the left cry, ‘war on gays! war on women! etc.
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