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GOP Report Concludes Military Could Not Have Changed Outcome in Benghazi
Mediaite ^ | 2/12/14 | Tommy Christopher

Posted on 02/12/2014 9:07:15 AM PST by Nachum

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To: Nachum

Even IF they could not...the big question is why they NEVER tried to get there. Who called the stand down? Did Obama know? (he had to have been informed simply because of the nature of the terrorist attack), WHY did they stand down and never show up? WHO gave and WHO approved those orders? WHY the cover-up? Who told Susan Rice to follow the offensive video excuse? And WHO is being held ACCOUNTABLE Mr. Obama? You are more than an empty suit or an empty chair. You, Sir, are a traitor to the Constitution.


41 posted on 02/12/2014 9:44:12 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Nachum

BS


42 posted on 02/12/2014 9:44:29 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: crosslink

Even if they could not have done anything....they were refused the opportunity to even try...which, unless they had a scheduled end time, was still of import.


43 posted on 02/12/2014 9:44:34 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Nachum

The ‘reporter’ is an Obama Koolaid drinker so I wouldn’t put too much stock in this.


44 posted on 02/12/2014 9:46:44 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: alloysteel

The military might of this nation can do NOTHING if they are never called into action. That is why the Joint Chiefs of Staff are under the Commander In Chief, who was himself AWOL.


Sadly for those murdered, this is not a winnable fight for conservatives. The kenyan and kankles will always be able to tap dance their way around Benghazi due to the Top Secret nature of the annex.

It’s far better to devote our energy to ongoing issues like the IRS and Democratcare scandals.


45 posted on 02/12/2014 9:47:39 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Viennacon

I guess if you do nothing, you would need a report to say you did the correct thing.


46 posted on 02/12/2014 9:49:32 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: LostPassword

Especially since the ambassador was in a safe room. If the ambassador had not left it, the attack could have gone on almost indefinitely.


47 posted on 02/12/2014 9:49:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Nachum
Gaggle of Prostitutes
48 posted on 02/12/2014 9:53:03 AM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Nachum

As Media Matters reports.....roflol!

August 4, 2007, while speaking at the YearlyKos convention in Chicago, the junior senator from New York boasted of “institutions that I helped to start and support like Media Matters and Center for American Progress.”


49 posted on 02/12/2014 9:59:22 AM PST by kcvl
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To: albie
“Stand Down” was the order.

They are trying to confuse the before with during the attack. Clearly before the attack they were refused support may times.

During the attack there was no "Stand Down" order as there did not need to be. The only person who could issue an action order during the attack was Obama and he declined to do so.

No approval equals "stand down" that's how command works and no amount of spin will change that.

Obama can claim he did not issue a stand down order but the real questions is, What did you do then?

And to that we still don't have an answer.

50 posted on 02/12/2014 10:08:32 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Nachum
Somewhere in the report the working was not "Stand Down" but "Stay Put".

Someone pls explain the difference?

51 posted on 02/12/2014 10:09:00 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum

So the fact that our ambassador was living in a home in a residential neighborhood,with none of the required security enhancements, required by law in an alqueda hotbed of terror attacks on the 9/11 anniversary,just means nothing.
The fact that no one has even asked the question of what the hell he was doing there in the first place,with local militia as security is outrageous


52 posted on 02/12/2014 10:10:13 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Anybody ask the military what they think of this “GOP report"?

Exactly.

On what basis does the report conclude:

"...the military was not positioned to respond to the attack."

when it also states:

"...U.S. military personnel in Tripoli who sought to join the fight in Benghazi."

It may be correct that “there was no ‘stand down’ order issued..”, but what is relevant is that there was no "go" order by the only authority that could issue such.

53 posted on 02/12/2014 10:16:07 AM PST by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: Nachum
In the report:

The Republican-led House Armed Services Committee, however, concluded in its new report that no such order was given; rather, Army Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson, then-head of the site security team at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, was ordered by higher commanders to remain in Tripoli, lest another attack take place there as part of a larger coordinated assault.

How is that "Stay in Tripoli" NOT a "Stand Down" order in reaction to the Benghazi terrorist attack?

54 posted on 02/12/2014 10:17:12 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum
Lies.
DAMNABLE LIES !

Military Scramble Order Overseas, How They Work
First, I've got over 26 years working in military control towers, most of them as the watch supervisor/crew chief on duty.
Scrambling aircraft to respond to urgent situations normally starts at the North American Aerospace Defense Command.
The scramble order comes down through a secured phone call on a direct line.
In the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, the drone control would have been from MacDill AFB, FL, by U.S. Central Command, and would have been in direct contact, or maybe even remote control to the situation room in the White House.
Watch this 4 minute 48 second video Inside the Situation Room.
The pResident SHOULD HAVE issued to order to scramble fighters to Benghazi, to get there in minimum time.
Then he SHOULD HAVE issued a second order scrambling AC-130 gunships to respond to Benghazi, and have them stand by for more orders. This should have been controlled by the pResident, who should have monitored and responded with guidance from his Situation Room, Read
Here's one more piece of information.
Like Rush said:

Now we know that Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack live.

I know from experience in the government (over 30 years) that the communication system allows for IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION to the SITUATION ROOM,
as well as other agencies, of notification of a critical situation such as this.
I'm sure technology has changed and only gotten better since I retired, but read this with focus on FLASH OVERRIDE and FLASH.
There is more you need to read.
The Pundit Press has videos worth watching at "Under God" Removed By Obama During Inauguration Pledge.
Read "Under God" Removed By Obama During Inaguration Pledge on Free Republic with all its comments, and know that we were warned of this.


This has been planned for a VERY LONG TIME.
Obama is solely responsible for this.
Hillary claimed “No Knowledge” of gun running
and told Rand Paul he needed to ask the CIA
.


Let's look at some of the facts.
So, let us remember. For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!

As retired military myself, I've seen the damage of "keeping secrets" about bad leaders.
Obama is EVIL, pure and simple.
Please watch Glenn Beck with Trevor Loudon & his book "Barack Obama and the Enemies Within".
Then watch the 29 minute 13 seconds video Trevor Loudon- An Urgent (and chilling) Message for America.



Barack Obama and the Enemies Within


Obama may be feigning "incompetence," thinking he's too sly, being a "wolf in sheep's clothing" since his mentoring was from Fabian Fascism..
The "Establishment Republicans" will probably NOT want to IMPEACH the TREASONIST Barack Hussein Obama II.
But it's better for the country that Obama suffer the penalty, the strongest penalty for his actions, and his inactions.
Let's look at the Presidential Oaths of Office.
Now who among us really believes Obama did any of that ?
To Obama, that was "Just words. Just speeches! "
Damn him ! Damn him to hell !

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One other suggestion, read DID OBAMA WANT STEVENS DEAD?
The language is a little abrasive, but spot on. Also read:

Read and watch all the videos from Could assets have reached Benghazi in time to save lives? [Ret. Lt Gen Boykin-Huckabee] and especially comment #44 and comment #57.



55 posted on 02/12/2014 10:21:11 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Nachum

Ok I read the whole interim report (and the Warren Commission Report)

Maybe NSA had put more time in collecting intelligence from foreigners instead of US Citizens they would have passed that info on to State(primary responsibility to protect embassy personnel) and DOD.

State withdrew 16 person Special Forces security force from Tripoli prior to attack even though DOD wanted them to stay

Responding forces had to change from military uniforms to civilian clothes so as not to anger locals.(idiot pc decision)

Benghazi had a SMC Special Mission Compound that DOD was not aware of. Whats that all about?

Stand down depends on how you perceive it, apparently it meant to be ready but don’t do anything but watch Americans get killed IMHO.

....Colonel Gibson: Madam Chairman, I was not ordered to stand down. I was ordered to remain in place. “Stand down” implies that we cease all operations, cease all activities. We continued to support the team that was in Tripoli. We continued to maintain visibility of the events as they unfolded.106.....

see page 7 for BS from Obama about preparation.

.....Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey then left for the White House to attend an unrelated routine weekly meeting with the President. Upon arrival, the two discussed the attack with the President for FIFTEEN TO THIRTY minutes, at which time they presumably shared all that was known about the unfolding events, including the fact that the ambassador and the subordinate (Mr. Sean Smith) were missing.48 According to Secretary Panetta’s statements to the Senate, the President “directed both myself and General Dempsey to do everything we need to do to try to protect the lives” in Benghazi.49 General Dempsey recounted to the House Armed Services Committee:
the President instructed us to use all available assets to respond to the attacks to ensure the safety of U.S. personnel in Libya and to protect U.S. personnel and interests throughout the region.50
Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey eventually returned to the Pentagon and guided the response from there.51
“[A]s to specifics” of the U.S. reaction, Secretary Panetta testified to the Senate that the President “left that up to us.” Secretary Panetta said the President was “well informed” about events and worried about American lives. He and General Dempsey also testified they had no further contact with the President, nor did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ever communicate with them that evening.
(3am phone call?)

Oh they apparently still haven’t talked to Brennan or WH staffers...LOL...


56 posted on 02/12/2014 10:25:13 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Nachum

Media Matters

In February 2012 Media Matters was the subject of a damning exposé by Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller, which revealed the extent to which the organization had become successful in dictating the content of left-liberal media reports. As documented by the Caller, newspapers like the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times all took their editorial cues from Media Matters’ talking points.

The Caller further reported that by 2008, “Media Matters staff had the direct line of [cable television station] MSNBC president Phil Griffin, and used it. Griffin took their calls.” According to one Media Matters source: “If we published something about Fox in the morning, they’d [MSNBC] have it on the air that night verbatim.’” “We were pretty much writing their [MSNBC’s] prime time,” added a former Media Matters employee. “But then, virtually all the mainstream media was using our stuff.”

Left-wing bloggers were likewise eager to serve as mouthpieces for Media Matters. “The entire progressive blogosphere picked up our stuff,” said a source for the organization, “from Daily Kos to Salon.” Media Matters considered Washington Post blogger Greg Sargent a particularly reliable dump for its content. As one source told the Daily Caller, “If you can’t get it [printed] anywhere else, Greg Sargent’s always game.” Along the same lines, a former Media Matters staffer recalls:

“The HuffPo guys were good, Sam Stein and Nico [Pitney]. The people at Huffington Post were always eager to cooperate, which is no surprise given David’s [Brock’s] long history with Arianna [Huffington]. Jim Rainey at the LA Times took a lot of our stuff. So did Joe Garofoli at the San Francisco Chronicle. We’ve pushed stories to Eugene Robinson and E.J. Dionne [at the Washington Post]. Brian Stelter at the New York Times was helpful.... Ben Smith [formerly of Politico] will take stories and write what you want him to write.”

Modus Operandi: Characterize Conservatives as Liars and Racists

Media Matters has cultivated a well-earned reputation for portraying honest differences of opinion by conservatives as lies, smears, and even evidence of “racism.” According to Republican pollster Frank Luntz, “They are vicious. They only understand one thing: attack, attack, attack.” David Folkenflik, media reporter for National Public Radio, said: “They’re looking at every dangling participle, every dependent clause, every semicolon, every quotation to see if there’s some way it unfairly frames a cause, a party, a candidate that they may have some feelings for.”

Founder David Brock and Other Early Notables

In launching its aggressive attacks against conservatives, Media Matters takes its cues from its founder and CEO, the self-described former “right-wing hit man” turned leftist, David Brock. A reporter for the conservative magazine The American Spectator in the 1990s, Brock subsequently underwent a political epiphany, renouncing his past writings, which were critical of liberal figures such as Anita Hill and President Bill Clinton, as a confection of lies and slanders.

In Brock’s present judgment, the mainstream media have fallen under the sway of conservative ideology, thus explaining, in Brock’s view, the many discussions about “liberal bias” in prominent media outlets. “The right wing in this country has dominated the debate over liberal bias,” Brock says. “By dominating that debate, my belief is they’ve moved the media itself to the right and therefore they’ve moved American politics to the right.” Hence the supposed need for Media Matters: “I wanted to create an institution to combat what they’re doing.” The sense of urgency with which Brock approaches this task is amplified by the low regard he has for conservatives, whom he describes as people who “are simply willing to lie.”

In his 2004 book, The Republican Noise Machine: Right-Wing Media and How It Corrupts Democracy, Brock claimed that the “most important sectors of the political media—most of cable TV news, the majority of popular op-ed columns, almost all of talk radio, a substantial chunk of the book market, and many of the most highly trafficked Web sites”—provided a “structural advantage for the GOP and conservatism.” During a February 2005 talk at the Center for American Progress, Brock articulated a similar theme: “We have seen the mainstream media increasingly accommodating conservatism and this is not an accident. This is the result of coordinated and financed effort by the right wing to pressure, push and bully the media to do that. The media today is a political issue. I believe it is conservatives that have politicized it.”

When Brock applied for tax-exempt status for Media Matters, he told the IRS, in writing, precisely whom the targets of his organization would be:

“Media Matters for America (MMA) believes that news reporting and analysis by the American media, with its eye on profit margin and preservation of the status quo, has become biased. It is common for news and commentary by the press to present viewpoints that tend to overly promote corporate interests, the rights of the wealthy, and a conservative, Christian-influenced ideology.”

Prior to founding Media Matters, Brock consulted with a number of leading Democratic Party figures, including Senator Hillary Clinton, former Senator Tom Daschle and former Vice President Al Gore. He also pitched his idea to potential liberal-left funders, a number of whom promptly lined up to bankroll his cause. The fledgling Media Matters received more than $2 million in seed donations from a roster of affluent donors including Susie Tompkins Buell, co-founder of the fashion company Esprit and a close ally of Senator Hillary Clinton; New York psychologist and philanthropist Gail Furman; Leo Hindery Jr., a former cable magnate; James Hormel, a San Francisco philanthropist who nearly served as ambassador to Luxembourg during the Clinton administration; Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corporation and a longtime consort of billionaire financier George Soros; and Bren Simon, a Democratic activist and the wife of shopping-mall developer Mel Simon. “It [Brock’s presentation] just made so much sense to me,” Buell would later recall. “All this garbage that’s coming out of the Right is like the worst contamination of this country.... He brought so much understanding of what goes on over there. He’s very articulate, and very, very bright.”

Also standing behind Brock was John Podesta, a former chief of staff in the Clinton administration and the head of the progressive think tank, the Center for American Progress. In 2004 Podesta provided Brock with office space for his new enterprise. Hillary Clinton played a key supporting role as well; she would later (in 2007) tell a YearlyKos convention of left-wing bloggers that she had “helped to start and support” Media Matters.

More than a few of the fledgling organization’s staffers were Democratic operatives. Among these were Katie Barge, Media Matters’ director of research, who had formerly presided over opposition research for Senator John Edwards’ unsuccessful 2004 presidential campaign; Brock’s personal assistant, Mandy Vlasz, a Democratic pollster and a veteran consultant to Democratic campaigns, including the 2000 Gore/Lieberman presidential ticket; and Media Matters’ chief communications strategist Dennis Yedwab, who was also director of strategic resources at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Another notable figure at Media Matters was senior fellow Eric Boehlert, who remains with the organization to this day. Boehlert was among the most passionate defenders of University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian when the latter was accused of having been a Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist operative. In a January 2002 article titled “The Prime-time Smearing of Sami Al-Arian,” Boehlert charged that: “In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, all four media giants, eagerly tapping into the country’s mood of vengeance and fear, latched onto the Al-Arian story, fudging the facts and ignoring the most rudimentary tenets of journalism in their haste to better tell a sinister story about lurking Middle Eastern dangers here at home.”

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57 posted on 02/12/2014 10:29:11 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Nachum
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/adm-james-lyons-ret-on-growing-benghazi-scandal/

The report is BS according to Admiral Lyons. He says F16s from Italy could have been there in 2 hrs. I believe they are armed with 20 mm cannon and can be armed with air to ground missiles which would have taken care of the attackers especially since they were being laser targeted.

58 posted on 02/12/2014 10:29:39 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Nachum
Yeah, right. The jihadis would have beat feet around when one of these started orbiting


59 posted on 02/12/2014 10:30:31 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: rolling_stone
This is what a real news media would report, the President, supposedly concerned about American lives didn't do anything and didn't check up on progress and Hillary did nothing either throughout the course of events.

. ...Secretary Panetta said the President was “well informed” about events and worried about American lives. He and General Dempsey also testified they had no further contact with the President, nor did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ever communicate with them that evening..............................................................

60 posted on 02/12/2014 10:33:57 AM PST by rolling_stone
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