Posted on 02/05/2014 3:50:49 PM PST by fwdude
The thing is. My sister is a Catholic school teacher. Woman married to a man. (sad that we have to spell that out these days). Any way, if she were to get divorced and start dating or living with someone else they could fire her. There is a morals clause in the contract. Now if she just got divorced and did not remarry or co-habitate or date she could keep her job.
And the cowardly republicans in congress sit back and enable his destruction of the moral foundation of the country.
This is basically the way that it is done in much of Europe. That does not keep the gays from demanding their right to be married in a church. They demand affirmation, not toleration.
At this point, it seems the possibilities are without limit. Reality is whatever you want it to be, and if some wet blanket tries to intrude truth into your world, the state will run interference for you. A nation of children, the land of Oz. Don’t look behind that curtain, you might see the truth of AIDS, stds, cancers, shortened lives, molested children, diseased minds, etc.
next will be the homosexual led effort to lower age of consent laws.
Exactly. Nothing can ever validate this sickness, so the less things work to do so, the harder they try.
Prediction: within 5-10 years, Christian churches which adhere to Biblical teachings will lose their tax-exempt status because of their stand against homosexuality. Related prediction: Bibles will be banned and confiscated as
“hate speech”. it’s not difficult to see this coming.
Catholic ping!
I was absolutely amazed about recently when I traveled throughout Europe visiting cathedrals. There were seats for thousands and they didn’t have 50 people including the pastor/priest and choir.
At Coventry Cathedral in UK there were 12 of us in the pews for a regular Sunday service. If they didn’t charge admission for tourists to see the structures they would go broke.
“I predict the next move will be to sue a Parish, or Diocese, for refusing to ‘marry’ a homosexual couple. In this regard, they’ll try to have the tax-exempt status removed, because the Church is denying someone something that is legal in that state; a civil marriage.”
I don’t know if it is the next thing. But it is no more ridiculous than telling someone in 1994 that by 2014 17+ states will have recognized ‘gay marriage’ and there will be several lawsuits against businesses who refused to recognize them for religious reasons.
The Church wasn’t punished for not accepting civil divorce and remarriage. But it definitely wasn’t framed as a civil right at the time like ‘gay marriage’ is now, at least that I am aware. On the other hand I don’t even know if anyone gets turned away from businesses or hiring for being civilly remarried, so maybe there was a lot less folks to complain when it did/does rarely happen?
“In my opinion, the Catholic Church in the US should stop being an agent of the State...”
That’s probably what is going to end up happening, either by trying to avoid punishment or as punishment for not accepting whatever impossibility the state is calling marriage at the time.
George Weigal wrote a little about it up here:
http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2012/11/the-crisis-of-a-second-obama-administration
Freegards
“Then I saw an apparition of the Mother of God, and she said that the tribulation would be very great. She added that people must pray fervently with outstretched arms, be it only long enough to say three Our Fathers. This was the way her Son prayed for them on the Cross. They must rise at twelve at night, and pray in this manner; and they must keep coming to the Church. They must pray above all for the Church of Darkness to leave Rome... These were all good and devout people, and they did not know where help and guidance should be sought. There were no traitors and enemies among them, yet they were afraid of one another... “
“I saw more martyrs, not now but in the future ... I saw the secret sect relentlessly undermining the great Church. Near them I saw a horrible beast coming up from the sea. All over the world, good and devout people, especially the clergy, were harassed, oppressed, and put into prison ... “
“Whole Catholic communities were being oppressed, harassed, confined, and deprived of their freedom. I saw many churches closed down, great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed. A wild and ignorant mob took violent action. But it did not last long... “
A few prophecies of Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Prepare for battle.
I predict the next move will be to sue a Parish, or Diocese, for refusing to ‘marry’ a homosexual couple.
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It’s closer than many want to admit:
Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-rules-christian-facility-cannot-ban-same-sex-civil-union-ceremony-on/
This is settled law. It has been upheld on numerous occasions and the people bringing the suite should be forced to pay the defendants, all court costs and a massive fine.
That is correct. The Church is against divorce and RE-Marriage. They will not marry someone in the Church who has a valid marriage already in the Church that has not been annulled. Annulment is relatively easy to get, unfortunately.
“Actually, if we really were still a FREE country, “discrimination” would still be an unalienable right of EVERY free person: business owners, individuals, corporations, etc.”
Absolutely. Isn’t this ‘freedom of association’?
There is no better example of the *camel’s nose under the tent* theory than the above article. Ecclesiastes Ch. 3 was written for a purpose.
“I was absolutely amazed about recently when I traveled throughout Europe visiting cathedrals.”
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Were you in any of the former Communist countries of central Europe?
While living in Slovakia, I attended one of the three beautiful Catholic churches in old town Bratislava.
The attendance was quite good.
While I grew up as an Episcopalian (the very now disgraced denomination in America) I considered myself to be worthy of taking communion in the Slovak church.
I now live in the very Catholic country, Philippines, where our church in a small town is 300 years old. My 3 yr old son was baptized there when he was an infant.
It begins by asking toleration. Its friends say to the majority: You need not be afraid of us; we are few and weak; only let us alone; we shall not disturb the faith of others. The Church has her standards of doctrine; of course we shall never interfere with them; we only ask for ourselves to be spared interference with our private opinions.
Indulged in this for a time, error goes on to assert equal rights. Truth and error are two balancing forces. The Church shall do nothing which looks like deciding between them; that would be partiality. It is bigotry to assert any superior right for the truth. We are to agree to differ and any favoring of the truth, because it is truth, is partisanship. What the friends of truth and error hold in common is fundamental. Anything on which they differ is “ipso facto” non-essential. Anybody who makes account of such a thing is a disturber of the peace of the church. Truth and error are two co-ordinate powers, and the great secret of church-statesmanship is to preserve the balance between them.
From this point error soon goes on to its natural end, which is to assert supremacy. Truth started with tolerating; it comes to be merely tolerated and that only for a time. Error claims a preference for its judgments on all disputed points. It puts men into position, not as at first in spite of their departure from the Church’s faith, but in consequence of it. Their recommendation is that they repudiate that faith, and position is given them to teach others to repudiate it, and make them skillful in combating it." (pp. 195-196)
From: “THE CONSERVATIVE REFORMATION AND ITS THEOLOGY as represented in the Augsburg Confession and in the history and literature of the Evangelical Lutheran Church” by Charles P. Krauth, D.D. (1871). [Note date]
So was the right of states to pass their own marriage amendments, but look where we are now?
We are now a lawless nation.
They’ll be suing to end the charitable status of religious institutions within the decade.
You have hit the nail on the head. Since there is no penalty for law suites that simply take up court time. There is no disincentive for the grievance community to not sue.
Also the Justices change their minds even when the constitution doesn’t change.
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