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EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
Forbes ^ | 1-29-14 | Larry Bell,

Posted on 02/03/2014 4:33:29 PM PST by dynachrome

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To: dynachrome
What the environmentalists really want is to starve-out and/or freeze-out as many peasants as possible.

All of them if the opportunity arises.

81 posted on 02/03/2014 5:35:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: dynachrome

The best bet here would to be make a small tile- or oven stove. The idea is to build a small, very hot fire in it, to thoroughly incinerate fuel with minimal exhaust, which heats up a material with a high infrared emissivity. Then for a few hours, the room it is in is illuminated with IR.

The idea would be to have a stove that weighs about 200 pounds, is inexpensive, consumes far less fuel than a typical stove, and while it’s not for cooking, it keeps their home warm.


82 posted on 02/03/2014 5:35:28 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: palmer

Why are you defending the government jerks, palmer?

You need to pick a side, Freedom or insufferable Regulation.


83 posted on 02/03/2014 5:35:29 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: dynachrome

Are EPA officials flammable? They certainly seem oily enough. Could possibly solve our energy problems(among other things).


84 posted on 02/03/2014 5:38:32 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: CatherineofAragon

I’m with you on that. And if it came, I would never have believe that it would be worshiped, installed, aided and abetted by bastards who claimed to be Americans.


85 posted on 02/03/2014 5:38:56 PM PST by sport
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"What the environmentalists really want is to starve-out and/or freeze-out as many peasants as possible."

Bingo.

See what the Soviets did to the kulaks.

Farmers that owned their land were a threat to the communists. They were starved and shot out of existence. Methinks it won't go down the same way in 2014 America.

86 posted on 02/03/2014 5:40:13 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: dynachrome
If you have a wood stove or a wood fired boiler for heat, in these states, you will be a criminal pretty soon.

How about a wood-fired pizza oven?

87 posted on 02/03/2014 5:43:39 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
I'll take freedom for $400. The problem with your false dichotomy question is that it leads to lots of pointless gnashing of teeth on the internet. Sort of like ranting against Romney while he is being coronated by the eGOP.

Let me ask you a similar false dichotomy question: are you for taking all the political, free speech actions possible such as commenting against the new EPA regulations? Or are you simply going to rant and rave?

The answer of course is that commenting might do no good against a regime that could care less about support from wood burning people. So you might as well rant and rave. I wil choose to comment against the regulation anyway even though it won't do much good. But it thousands of people joined me, it might.

88 posted on 02/03/2014 5:43:54 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I had to read it more than once too....this makes no sense to me. One thing to note is that rural is usually conservative, so this has a political ring to it...not to mention the issues with EPA to start with.


89 posted on 02/03/2014 5:43:58 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: palmer
Fireplaces are not covered, only wood stoves.

Since a fireplace can be used as a stove, it will immediately be classified as falling under that definition and regulated in the same manner.

90 posted on 02/03/2014 5:45:26 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Wood fired pizza ovens seem to be exempt. Bureaucratic whim? who knows?


91 posted on 02/03/2014 5:46:20 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Utilizer

Except they didn’t do that because they are going after new wood stoves from manufacturers. They aren’t regulating existing stoves, nor fireplaces, nor any new fireplaces being installed.


92 posted on 02/03/2014 5:47:46 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome

What about the Burgerking grills???


93 posted on 02/03/2014 5:50:48 PM PST by plainshame
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; Mechanicos

Mechanicos had this link upthread. Looks intersting.

“build a small, very hot fire in it, to thoroughly incinerate fuel with minimal exhaust, “

http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp


94 posted on 02/03/2014 5:51:03 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
Methinks it won't go down the same way in 2014 America.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

When they come for the guns we might as well go down fighting, because they're eventually going to kill us anyway.

There are 100,000,000 gun owners in this country. The math is promising.

95 posted on 02/03/2014 5:54:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: dynachrome

Just ignore the EPA. Call it “an executive order”


96 posted on 02/03/2014 5:56:11 PM PST by struggle
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
Some still don't see that they are the modern day kulak.

Doesn't help when you have jackasses like O'Reilly getting on air saying he doesn't think the administration is deliberately trying to hurt people.

"I don't think Stalin is deliberately trying to starve anyone".

97 posted on 02/03/2014 5:57:51 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: dynachrome

your logs belong to us. Burn rubber then.


98 posted on 02/03/2014 5:58:37 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: dynachrome

A rocket stove is going to be tricky to run. I looked into them a couple of years ago. They are similar to masonry stoves with cold exhaust. Basically you don’t lose all your heat through the chimney and have outdoor air leaking into your house. The problem is getting them started with no draft, leaking exhaust, and pushing exhaust backwards down the chimney. That last one is the killer, literally. They are not recommended for people who don’t rigorously maintain the stove and run it properly.


99 posted on 02/03/2014 5:58:47 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome

I guess forest fires are now illegal.


100 posted on 02/03/2014 6:00:07 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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