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EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
Forbes ^ | 1-29-14 | Larry Bell,

Posted on 02/03/2014 4:33:29 PM PST by dynachrome

The impacts of EPA’s ruling will affect many families. According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2011 survey statistics, 2.4 million American housing units (12 percent of all homes) burned wood as their primary heating fuel, compared with 7 percent that depended upon fuel oil.

Local governments in some states have gone even further than EPA, not only banning the sale of noncompliant stoves, but even their use as fireplaces. As a result, owners face fines for infractions. Puget Sound, Washington is one such location. Montréal, Canada proposes to eliminate all fireplaces within its city limits.

Only weeks after EPA enacted its new stove rules, attorneys general of seven states sued the agency to crack down on wood-burning water heaters as well. The lawsuit was filed by Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont, all predominately Democrat states. Claiming that EPA’s new regulations didn’t go far enough to decrease particle pollution levels, the plaintiffs cited agency estimates that outdoor wood boilers will produce more than 20 percent of wood-burning emissions by 2017. A related suit was filed by the environmental group Earth Justice.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agenda21; epa; greentyranny; nannystate; particulates; sueandsettle; thuggery; woodstoves
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To: DBrow

That’s not exactly advertising now is it? Which proves my point that they really don’t give a flip what the American people want. If they did, they would broadcast what they are doing on the news and have widely advertised town halls across the country. They could care less. It’s an agenda for them and no telling what else.


241 posted on 02/04/2014 10:34:13 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: DBrow

http://www.epa.gov/ncea/iris/irisworkshops/mltw/index.htm

Mouse Lung Tumor Workshop? Does PETA know about this?


242 posted on 02/04/2014 10:37:09 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: Abundy
I have spent a day reading (100's) of pages of proposed regulations and my comment to you was that I am screwed along with everybody else when I can't get replacement parts. There's no specific rule against making and selling replacement parts but I have not gone through the all of the 100's of pages yet.

My beef with the original post is that it incorrectly stated that wood stoves have been banned and the Forbes article was misleading. Wood stoves have not been banned, a ban is being proposed starting later this year (comment period expires in May)

The solution by some posters is to ignore that inaccuracy, ignore the fact that there is a comment period and go on the assumption that (noncompliant) wood stoves have been banned. Nothing really wrong with that considering that it will help hasten the demise of the regime (i.e. give them the rope).

I believe however that it is important to let people know the fact that this is a proposed ban and should be fought by political means. There are plenty of farm state senators who will have a majority of constituents against this. They need to be communicated with to put a stop to this.

If people want to add some reactionary commentary as well, fine. But the political action message has to get out and that's what I am doing, especially after taking the time to wade through the EPA's crap.

243 posted on 02/04/2014 10:52:57 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome
If you hve a wood stove or a wood fired boiler for heat, in these states, you will be a criminal pretty soon.

"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

Lavrentiy Beria (Head of USSR Secret Police in Stalin era)


244 posted on 02/04/2014 11:01:47 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: DBrow
They (EPA) have comment periods that anyone, even you and I, can input to.

I always assume that any opportunity provided by the Feral Government for us to make comments or give input are really thinly disguised mechanisms to gather the names of people they will categorize as potential domestic terrorists.


245 posted on 02/04/2014 11:07:51 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Iron Munro

Then they have me down cold.

If nobody shows up, they don’t even need to intimidate us.


246 posted on 02/04/2014 11:21:14 AM PST by DBrow
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To: MagnoliaB

“That’s not exactly advertising now is it? “

I’m pretty sure it’s in newspapers, too, in the Legal Notices section. You don’t need that now, though, you know where to look for yourself, and can tell other people where to look.

I read Legal Notices, that’s where I find state, county, fed, and local meeting announcements and, more fun, storage locker auctions.


247 posted on 02/04/2014 11:24:36 AM PST by DBrow
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To: MagnoliaB

H ha ha ah I didn’t even read it, I just C&P’d it in as an example.


248 posted on 02/04/2014 11:25:46 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Then they have me down cold.

The NSA makes certain that they have us all identified !!!


249 posted on 02/04/2014 11:58:48 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: palmer

my apologies, I thought you were being sarcastic regarding repair to your equipment


250 posted on 02/04/2014 12:06:24 PM PST by Abundy
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To: roofgoat
How many times does your spouse have to cheat on you before you realize they are a serial adulterer?

You really couldn't put a little more thought into it and come up with a somewhat less tasteless analogy?

How much evil does the Federal Govt have to do before someone realizes that EVERYTHING coming out of Washington DC today is cancer?

None. We all realize that there is a cancer in Washington. Proposals for eliminating it? You have only two ways to go.

251 posted on 02/04/2014 12:07:00 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: DBrow

Do you do storage locker auctions? I’ve always thought that might be fun but between stuff I have accumulated and several family estates, I already have enough to get rid of.


252 posted on 02/04/2014 12:16:12 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: palmer
Anyone with a welder and some sheet metal along with a few extra parts can build their own wood stove. I've seen wood stoves built out of steel drums. Do you suppose the EPA is going to raid everyone’s home that they see smoke coming out of? I have several home made wood stoves and know lots of people with them. They're not going to be able to stop people from building their own.
253 posted on 02/04/2014 12:24:56 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: Iron Munro

I concur.


254 posted on 02/04/2014 12:26:11 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: MagnoliaB

A good friend had another friend weld him a steel drum stove. Actually two drums with the second to capture extra heat. It’s going to become much more common if EPA gets its way and forces significant price rises. The homemade stoves should be easy to detect from exhaust, but there are ways of hiding it.


255 posted on 02/04/2014 12:38:50 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: MagnoliaB

I have been to a few, and yes, the problem is getting rid of ten medium boxes of old tshirts when all you wanted was the bicycle. You have to have an outlet like a flea market table or secondhand store.


256 posted on 02/04/2014 1:31:57 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Mechanicos

bump 4 l8tr


257 posted on 02/04/2014 1:36:38 PM PST by WhirlwindAttack (If your hand touches iron I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I'll end you. I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Bloody Sam, my analogy was not obviously aimed at your personal life, it was more to the fact that conservatives have to realize that just because a bill or Govt initiative starts out benign, it always ends up cancer.

The law only effects new..........yeah right. And then 3 years later it morphs into much more. Fireplace Laws, Gun Laws, Loss of Private Property Laws, on and on. Anything coming out of Washington should be opposed.

I apologize if I came off strong to you personally.


258 posted on 02/04/2014 1:54:32 PM PST by roofgoat
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To: DBrow

We have a Christian mission thrift store here that we donate to. They sell stuff to make money and also box things up to send overseas to poor countries. Apparently some of these countries use old tee shirts and clothes to make bandages out of. Pretty sad if you ask me but that’s probably what we’ll be doing here soon. I’m sure they wear some of them too.


259 posted on 02/04/2014 2:15:36 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: palmer
Prior to central heating the air would be unbreathable at times and places in the winter.

Well, then those people need to scatter out some.

260 posted on 02/04/2014 2:44:00 PM PST by elkfersupper
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