What's happened to FR? The truth is that way too many good, smart and thoughtful posters have been banned for stupid shortsighted reasons.
Carlo's post was not pro abortion. It was anti-abortion. There just aren't enough actually thoughtful people left anymore to see it. He was knee- jerked out the door without anyone bothering to read what he wrote and understand it. It too bad and it's our loss, not his.
You'll be missed Carlo. Remember the old days.
A lot of people say they're pro-life, and hold that a baby is a baby from conception. Rather fewer follow that thought to its logical conclusion.
If someone saw a woman stabbing her three year old son, because she had decided he was inconvenient, the witness would be justified in using deadly force to stop her. There is a high level of agreement about that.
If a woman told a doctor she wanted to kill her one year old baby, and he passed her some cyanide pills to do it with, they both would face charges of first-degree murder, and both would face either life in prison, or execution.
There is pretty-much universal agreement that the killing of a young child should subject the killer(s) to the penalties for murder. There is somewhat less agreement that third-trimester abortion should be penalized as murder, although there is high agreement that it should be banned.
There is somewhat less agreement that first trimester abortions be banned. There is even less agreement that the "morning after" pill or IUD devices (which work by preventing fertilized eggs from implanting in the uterus) deserve banning.
So here's the thing: to be philosophically consistent, someone who believes that a fertilized egg is just as much a baby with rights as a post-birth baby, should be in favor of treating a woman who aborts at any stage as a murderess.
While a majority may feel pro-life, I think the numbers shrink dramatically if the question becomes "Should a woman who gets an abortion be imprisoned for murder, along with her doctor?" And I think a large percentage would be in favor of locking up anybody who proclaimed he would use deadly force to prevent abortion from occurring.
This is the reality of society. Is anybody here, who believes himself pro-life, really in favor of life-imprisonment for women who get abortions? Does anybody here think that life-imprisonment for women who get abortions is a position with widespread support?
Umm, no. I was on this thread from the get-go. I was actually the first with the IBTZ. But more than than; I nailed it in post 61.
It obviously is carlo’s point to mislead and be misinterpreted. This thread has been up over 30 minutes and he has not responded or clarified his remarks that have lead to so much confusion as to what he means.
He obviously is playing a clever word game here. Either that or he is very stupid as he is about to be zotted at any moment.
Clever word game or very stupid. Those were the options. Turns out - both options were correct. Later in this thread, when JR gave him 3-4 chances to walk back his comments, he only made matters worse.
Finally look at post 180. Carlo apologizes, but its too late. He was done in by his clever word games.