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What's happened to FR? The truth is that way too many good, smart and thoughtful posters have been banned for stupid shortsighted reasons. Carlo's post was not pro abortion. It was anti-abortion. There just aren't enough actually thoughtful people left anymore to see it. He was knee- jerked out the door without anyone bothering to read what he wrote and understand it. It too bad and it's our loss, not his. You'll be missed Carlo. Remember the old days.

A lot of people say they're pro-life, and hold that a baby is a baby from conception. Rather fewer follow that thought to its logical conclusion.

If someone saw a woman stabbing her three year old son, because she had decided he was inconvenient, the witness would be justified in using deadly force to stop her. There is a high level of agreement about that.

If a woman told a doctor she wanted to kill her one year old baby, and he passed her some cyanide pills to do it with, they both would face charges of first-degree murder, and both would face either life in prison, or execution.

There is pretty-much universal agreement that the killing of a young child should subject the killer(s) to the penalties for murder. There is somewhat less agreement that third-trimester abortion should be penalized as murder, although there is high agreement that it should be banned.

There is somewhat less agreement that first trimester abortions be banned. There is even less agreement that the "morning after" pill or IUD devices (which work by preventing fertilized eggs from implanting in the uterus) deserve banning.

So here's the thing: to be philosophically consistent, someone who believes that a fertilized egg is just as much a baby with rights as a post-birth baby, should be in favor of treating a woman who aborts at any stage as a murderess.

While a majority may feel pro-life, I think the numbers shrink dramatically if the question becomes "Should a woman who gets an abortion be imprisoned for murder, along with her doctor?" And I think a large percentage would be in favor of locking up anybody who proclaimed he would use deadly force to prevent abortion from occurring.

This is the reality of society. Is anybody here, who believes himself pro-life, really in favor of life-imprisonment for women who get abortions? Does anybody here think that life-imprisonment for women who get abortions is a position with widespread support?

The fact that question exists is testament to how little people think about issues they hold opinions on.

For me, Yes. Murder is murder. My belief is that it should be criminalized. And it logically follows that criminals pay for their crime. Lines have to be drawn. Lines define the difference between civilization and anarchy. Today/inn the modern era, the left has placed it’s line and we either accept it or move it through the political/legal process and public opinion. Not long ago, women who aborted were publicly shamed for their actions. A line existed. And it had existed for a long time Then libs moved that line. It can be moved back and further IF enough people decide to.

But before people decide anything, they have to put more thought into it than emotion.