Posted on 01/27/2014 3:28:50 PM PST by Kaslin
Nobody is forced to get a state marriage now.
They already do, Utah suspended the gay marriage issue yet the state and feds said they would still accept it for benefits.
//Which means they are married and fully legal//
Not if we put marriage back in the churches alone where it belongs. They can already enter into contracts that give the legal benefits of marriage, they just want to call it ‘marriage’ and the next step is to force churches to perform them even against their beliefs. Take away their power and give it back to the faithful.
Why do people let ‘the state’ control them?
And all that can be done without being ‘legally married’.
Me three. Get them out of my religious rites.
//I think what’s going to eventually is that those faiths that will never accept whatever impossibility the state is deciding to call marriage at the time will quit acting as the state’s representative in civil marriage.//
And probably lose their tax exempt status. That is where the threats will start in order to get churches to cave.
Frankly, if as a church, you are more concerned about your tax status than the truth...you have bigger issues than you think.
We all know that, what I was asking was does that poster support it or does he want to change the law.
This distraction from conservatives fighting this gay agenda politically, seems to be deliberate.
Whatever you are trying to say, you are sure wrong about it.
The early federal laws dealing with marriage had absolutely nothing to do with paternity, zero.
You can marry without making it legal, why don’t you?
I keep pointing out that if you don’t want a legal marriage, then don’t bother with the laws, people do it all the time.
BINGO!
This is America, people don’t have to join a Mosque or FLDS, or a gay church, or a Lutheran church to marry if they don’t want to, they don’t even have to believe in God to marry.
And they really don’t have to stay in that religion forever, and depend on it to decide on their divorce and property rights and child custody.
Would you read the thread before you keep posting nonsense, you don't a marriage license to marry in America, not even for a legal marriage.
You are bingoing a post that totally wrong.
Read post 104.
/Your information isn’t accurate.
I’m not aware of a state that allows clergy to perform “legal” marriages without a marriage license (or marriage certificate, or formal notice, to be recorded by the govt.) required.//
Wow you completely missed the point of RKBA’s post. He never said that. He said that churches can marry you without a license(BTW, you said on this thread that marriage licenses are not necessary to be ‘legally married’ are you now saying they are?) and they can. The example of mixed race marriages is a good one. A church may or may not require legal paperwork in order to perform a marriage BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS A RELIGIOUS RITE, you can be ‘legally married’ without ever having a ceremony (just signing the paperwork and filing).
RKBA is correct, marriage as a sacrament (or religious rite) is separate from the legal entity.
Why are you so wrapped up in what our corrupt government says Marriage is when God says otherwise? Who cares what the government says, I am married because MrR and I made a covenant to each other and to God, regardless of what the state says. The state could invalidate our ‘legal marriage’ tomorrow and it wouldn’t matter because we are still married in the eyes of God. Seriously, you are coming across as putting the government over God.
Agreed.
So marry without the state, what is keeping you from doing that?
We have our hands full trying to get enough votes to stop gay marriage and hold off polygamy, and you guys all think that we have the votes to make America a theocracy?
No they aren’t so why do the gays want it? Because they want control and they want to force themselves into our religious rites.
That is what I said, not what he said.
""I’m not aware of a state that allows clergy to perform “legal” marriages without a marriage license (or marriage certificate, or formal notice, to be recorded by the govt.) required.""
As far as not needing a license or clergy or anyone else, Common law marriage is still legal, as long as it meets the legal requirements, of course if you don't want a legal marriage, then do what you want.
How is it a distraction? Short of a constitutional amendment the feds will still accept what the states do or do not sanction.
We need to go grass roots and fight the gay agenda that says we need to accept them.
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