Meet the Kronies: A Team of Politically Inspired Big Government Action Figures

I can think of a few protectionists who would be well-served to see this . . . maybe the budget deficit, unemployment, China's meddling, etc., cannot be solved that easily by our government, after all.

Their LinkedIn site is rabbit hole DEEP with links:

http://www.linkedin.com/directory/companies

The Youtube cartoons, the action figures, the faux commercials, the web sites all took tremendous effort and huge resources.

Who are these people? Their ‘ about us’ reveals nothing.

Enough of this “crony” stuff. Call it what it really is: fascism.

25% of our workforce sitting idle.

25% of our workforce making about half what they were five years ago.

And your snot-nosed focus remains the big bad protectionists?

Can you tell me what protectionist policies have over-ridden the Free Trade group’s policies in the last 20 years? I’d be curious to hear how Protectionists have been the biggest threat to our nation during that period.

If you think we blocked China’s influence on our manufacturing just say so.

If you think we forced large tariffs just say so.

If you think we over-powered cheap labor from Mexico, just say so.

If you think massive raises in the private sector have really screwed us in the last decade, just say so.

If you think our workers are being paid to much, because they have demanded too much in the last twenty years, just say so. And if you do, please explain the carnage on 50% of our workforce while you’re at it.

If you think Protectionists caused us to lose a lot of national security secrets, just say so.

If you think Protectionists caused us to lose a lot of technology secrets, just say so.

Failing any of this, please refrain from opening that yap of yours and proving what a complete idiot you are over and over and over and over again.

25% of our workforce sitting idle.
25% of our workforce making about half what they were five years ago.

Nothing that higher taxes and bigger government can't fix.

Alrighty then. So, just to be sure, the protectionist position on this is that all of these terrible things you cite can be solved if we will just give government more control over the economy and our personal liberty?

It is truly a wonder when people demand that we create even bigger government to resolve the messes made by government in the first place. And make no mistake, the fault of the problems on your list fall squarely at the feet of government. To blame these things on too much freedom is laughable.

Then please respond to that post as if it was written to you.

I’d like to hear the brilliant analysis from a supporter of Free Trade, despite the outcome of Free Trade policies on our economy.

The Free Traders had their way, and the government did it’s best to facilitate the whole damned thing.

Now the response is to trash people who didn’t think selling our souls to China was a good thing to do in the first place.

Do you folks ever take ownership of ANYTHING?

Another person heard from who can’t take ownership of his failed policies. (the policies he supported)

Just for laughs, what would it take for you to admit our (near complete) patent database, our military technology, 25% of our jobs, and another 25% of our citizens salaries were stripped by 50%, were gifted to China or lost due to our Free Trade policies?

And yet here you are demagoguing the issue of government control, as if the lack of any government intervention at all, had brought us exactly what you promised.

I detest government intervention in these things. I also detest unions. If tax breaks and government policies helped to create the situation we have now though, you don’t mind government intervention at all do you. And frankly, there has been government intervention in all this.

For one thing, our leaders have simply refused to protect our states from invasion, and a flooding of the work-pool with poor immigrants that will work for dirt wages, thus deflating what citizens can expect to earn, even with 50% of our workforce out of work or earning less than half what they did five years ago.

I can’t help but notice your selective amnesia when it comes to ‘all’ government involvement.

Another person heard from who can’t take ownership of his failed policies. (the policies he supported)

Why wouldn't I take ownership of reduced government interference with trade? If we reduced government interference with more of our economy, we wouldn't be in our current mess.

Just for laughs, what would it take for you to admit our (near complete) patent database, our military technology, 25% of our jobs, and another 25% of our citizens salaries were stripped by 50%, were gifted to China or lost due to our Free Trade policies?

We don't have free trade with China.

What would it take for you to admit that our highest in the world corporate tax rate, ever higher regulatory compliance costs and gems like Obamacare cost jobs? Or that importing 20 million low skill illegals reduces the salaries of our own low skilled workers.

And yet here you are demagoguing the issue of government control, as if the lack of any government intervention at all, had brought us exactly what you promised.

Yes, I'm against more government control. Why are you in favor?

Lack of any government intervention? Where?

I detest government intervention in these things.

Sure.

I also detest unions.

Excellent!

If tax breaks and government policies helped to create the situation we have now though, you don’t mind government intervention at all do you.

Tax breaks caused our situation? What the hell are you talking about?

It was done by Emergent Order, the same guys who did the Keynes vs Hayek Rap videos (aka “Fear the Boom and the Bust”. . )

http://emergentorder.com/

RE: “25% of our workforce sitting idle. 25% of our workforce making about half what they were five years ago.”

The two problems you mention above are also caused by our immigration policy, not just by Free Trade policy.

In 2013:

1 million new USA citizens were imported - most of them with limited skills and limited education.

500,000 new Green Cards were issued - most of them for people who will earn below the median income.

750,000 work visas were issued or renewed - many of them for jobs that will compete directly against new American college grads, and against middle aged American technology workers.

Another person heard from who can’t take ownership of his failed policies. (the policies he supported)

Why wouldn't I take ownership of reduced government interference with trade? If we reduced government interference with more of our economy, we wouldn't be in our current mess.

Just as I thought, you morph the question to one of government intervention. You avoid the 25% of our workforce out of work, and another 25% of our workforce working for less than half what they were earning five years go like the plague. So no, you won't take ownership. When it comes to our patent database (essentially) being turned over to China, to China getting many of our military secrets, it's all a big yawn to you. None of this is admitted to as a massive down-side. You don't take ownership. You make avoidence job one.

Just for laughs, what would it take for you to admit our (near complete) patent database, our military technology, 25% of our jobs, and another 25% of our citizens salaries were stripped by 50%, were gifted to China or lost due to our Free Trade policies?

We don't have free trade with China. No we don't, because China manipulates it's currency so that there is a pseudo 30-40% import tax on U. S. goods headed into China. And yet, the Free Traders NEVER bring it up.

What would it take for you to admit that our highest in the world corporate tax rate, ever higher regulatory compliance costs and gems like Obamacare cost jobs? Or that importing 20 million low skill illegals reduces the salaries of our own low skilled workers.

Well, since I mentioned it in my post to you (at least the illegal immigrant part of it), what would be the point of me revealing my thoughts on it once more?

As for highest in the world corporate tax rates, what does that encourage Corporations to do? Shall I play the Jeopardy music here for you, while you suck up the courage to admit there is government intervention that spurs on the offshore madness? Duh!

And yet here you are demagoguing the issue of government control, as if the lack of any government intervention at all, had brought us exactly what you promised.

Yes, I'm against more government control. Why are you in favor? No, you're not bothered by government control at all. Please link me to the prior post on this thread where you blasted the goverment for motivating corporations to move off-shore. All you did is push for Free Trade. You did not mention the down sides to it. You don't take any ownership. It's all someone else's fault. $0.25 cent an hour wages in China vs $15.00 an hour wages in the U. S. is not a problem to you. If it results in job displacement in the U. S. you view that as a great thing. I don't. If it results in fifty years worth of technology transfers to a rogue state like China, no problem. If military grade secrets are in the mix, no problem. My gosh, we don't want government involvement... That was Bill Clinton's argument too.

Lack of any government intervention? Where?

I detest government intervention in these things.

Sure. If that's a sarcastic sure, I don't mind. Due to the outcome of trade with China, I do favor more government intervention. I would like to see corporate rates eliminated. I would also like to see the government protect our technology, and national security technology in particular, better than it does.

I also detest unions.

Excellent!

If tax breaks and government policies helped to create the situation we have now though, you don’t mind government intervention at all do you.

Tax breaks caused our situation? What the hell are you talking about?

If high corporate tax rates exist as you claim they do, what kind of tax impact is there if the jobs are moved off-shore? Doen't that amount to a tax break for moving jobs off-shore?

I agree, but it’s not all immigration related.

Right now it’s immigration, economic crash, and Free Trade related.

The problem is, the Free Trade end of it is far more corrosive to re-employment and the full economy running on all cylinders, than the other problems mentioned.

Manufacturing used to be the real kick starter to a down economy. Now we’ve moved a massive amount of it off-shore.

You must admit, it's kind of embarrassing for our side when the most pro-business, free-market, non-interventionist, laissez faire Administration the Republic has ever seen can't fix these terrible problems. /s

You avoid the 25% of our workforce out of work, and another 25% of our workforce working for less than half what they were earning five years go like the plague.

You have any backup for this claim?

So no, you won't take ownership.

I absolutely take ownership of my desire for less government interference in trade and our economy in general.

When it comes to our patent database (essentially) being turned over to China, to China getting many of our military secrets, it's all a big yawn to you.

I'm against that.

None of this is admitted to as a massive down-side.

Those things are bad. Do you feel they'd be better with higher tariffs?

We don't have free trade with China.

No we don't, because China manipulates it's currency

We never signed a free trade agreement with China.

As for highest in the world corporate tax rates, what does that encourage Corporations to do? Shall I play the Jeopardy music here for you, while you suck up the courage to admit there is government intervention that spurs on the offshore madness?

Since I've already said we should cut our taxes, not raise them, do you feel you've made a point here?

No, you're not bothered by government control at all.

Yes I am.

Please link me to the prior post on this thread where you blasted the goverment for motivating corporations to move off-shore.

Every thread on trade, where I mock big government conservative calls for higher taxes (tariffs) and suggest we make the US more friendly to corporations, by reducing taxes and regs, the opposite of your ideas.

$0.25 cent an hour wages in China vs $15.00 an hour wages in the U. S. is not a problem to you. If it results in job displacement in the U. S. you view that as a great thing.

Link to a thread where I claimed any such thing.

If tax breaks and government policies helped to create the situation we have now though, you don’t mind government intervention at all do you.

Tax breaks caused our situation? What the hell are you talking about?

If high corporate tax rates exist as you claim they do, what kind of tax impact is there if the jobs are moved off-shore? Doen't that amount to a tax break for moving jobs off-shore?

Wow, put down the crack pipe.

I'm in favor of less government interference (that means I'm in favor of lower taxes) and you're admitting that government interference (highest in the world tax rates) gives companies an incentive to move offshore, but that somehow means I "don’t mind government intervention at all do you"?

I'll try again, with smaller words just for you.

I want US companies to have lower taxes here, so they don't have lower taxes there. That means more jobs here.

U.S. Drops from Top Ten Freest Countries in 2014 Index of Economic Freedom

Look on the bright side. If this trend continues, the U.S. will be at full employment in no time at all.

You avoid the 25% of our workforce out of work, and another 25% of our workforce working for less than half what they were earning five years go like the plague.

You have any backup for this claim?

Around the spring of 2013, I did work up some numbers myself. By traditional growth we should have had around 176.085 million people employed. Instead we had 134.839 million employed. That works out to 23% underemployment. LINK I beleive it is reasoned to address this as one quarter of our work-force outy of work. You and others may disagree. I do think it would be fair game to quibble about the 2%. I do not have a study to vindicate my comment about people making half the money they were five years ago. What I did stumble across was an article that claims over 40% of Americans are making less than the 1968 minimum wage. LINK Is this the United States you championed your whole life? It sure isn't the one I championed.

So no, you won't take ownership.

I absolutely take ownership of my desire for less government interference in trade and our economy in general.

Well that sounds good, but when it comes to these threads, the first things out of the mouths of folks like you is "Protectionists". Those of us who lament what has taken place resent that. There have been massive downsides. None of that is mentioned in favor of saying things that are intended to marginalize us for speaking out. Where is your indignation that missile gyro technology was transferred to China? Where is your indignation at the fact that missle vibration damper technology was transferred to China? Where is your indignation at the fact that technology going back to the 1950s, was gifted to China over a period of a couple of decades? Where is your indignation at the fact China was gifted with 50 to 70 years of technology, just so this economic nightmare could be facilitated? Today we and our allies, and folks not traditionally affiliated with us, face a growing military threat from China simply because the Free Traders prevailed?

When it comes to our patent database (essentially) being turned over to China, to China getting many of our military secrets, it's all a big yawn to you.

I'm against that.

Oh yes, I'm sure you are. None the less, that is never the emphasis of folks like you. "Protectionist" is always the first word put of your mouth. It's a pajorative that has been used to nullify any rational debate.

None of this is admitted to as a massive down-side.

Those things are bad. Do you feel they'd be better with higher tariffs?

Did I mention tariffs? No. Funny thing is though, a group of people we're supposed to respect did. Our Founding Fathers set tariffs up as the way to finance our government. They reasoned that a few percentage points of tariffs would fund the government, and limit it's size. That along with sane financial practices would keep the size of our government in check. Now that they have been proven brilliant beyond several centuries into our existence as a nation, you folks still show up to hump the leg of the Leftist professors who sold you on tariffs bad, anything done under the name of Free Trade, absolute God-like.

Who cares if China can target our cities with advanced accuracy? Who cares if their missle failures were reduced by 90% with our technology transfers? Who cares if we have 23% of our workforce idle? Who cares if 40% of our workers are making less than the minimum wage of 1968? Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade!

We don't have free trade with China.

No we don't, because China manipulates it's currency

We never signed a free trade agreement with China.

And yet here you are taking me to task instead of our Federal Government's and Communist China's policies. Never-mind that nuclear war with China is that much more thinkable, because their missile reliability has been nearly perfected and their accurace is such that they can pinpoint a strike to within 50 feet. No, that damned Preotectionist is doing it again. Do you folks have any idea how bombasticly stupid you come off in these debates?

You and I should be on the same side. Intead you'll forgive the Free Trade enabled chicanery no matter what, and trash those who you claim to agree with when it comes to the effects of what has taken place.

As for highest in the world corporate tax rates, what does that encourage Corporations to do? Shall I play the Jeopardy music here for you, while you suck up the courage to admit there is government intervention that spurs on the offshore madness?

Since I've already said we should cut our taxes, not raise them, do you feel you've made a point here?

Did you or did you not infer that government had not helped corporations move jobs off shore due to tax breaks? I believe you did.

No, you're not bothered by government control at all.

Yes I am.

And yet, as concerned as you say you are over issues like this, your target is the "Protectionists", not the federal government or our trade practices. So no, I don't believe you.

Please link me to the prior post on this thread where you blasted the goverment for motivating corporations to move off-shore.

Every thread on trade, where I mock big government conservative calls for higher taxes (tariffs) and suggest we make the US more friendly to corporations, by reducing taxes and regs, the opposite of your ideas.

Please link me to one place where I advocated for higher taxation or more regulations. I have touched on what our Founders did, but I made no values judgment related to that. So basically, this is pure fantasy on your part.

$0.25 cent an hour wages in China vs $15.00 an hour wages in the U. S. is not a problem to you. If it results in job displacement in the U. S. you view that as a great thing.

Link to a thread where I claimed any such thing.

It's what is taking place, and you continue to advocate for Free Trade despite that fact. Am I now to believe you don't advocate for what you have been advocating for?.

If tax breaks and government policies helped to create the situation we have now though, you don’t mind government intervention at all do you.

Tax breaks caused our situation? What the hell are you talking about?

If our government has the highest corporate tax rates, and the taxation is less if corporations manufacture off-shore, wouldn't you agree the corporations get a tax break if they manufacture off-shore?

If high corporate tax rates exist as you claim they do, what kind of tax impact is there if the jobs are moved off-shore? Doen't that amount to a tax break for moving jobs off-shore?

Wow, put down the crack pipe.

LOL, don't you see what a conumdrum you've created for yourself here? I mention tax breaks, and you ask me what the hell I'm talking about. And then in your next offering (just below), you admit that government interference gives companies a(n) (what must be a tax) incentive to move off-shore... So which is it? Do you agree corporations get tax breaks to move off-shore or not? See red text above. See the following offereing from you.

I'm in favor of less government interference (that means I'm in favor of lower taxes) and you're admitting that government interference (highest in the world tax rates) gives companies an incentive to move offshore, but that somehow means I "don’t mind government intervention at all do you"?

I just asked you above, if you thought corporations got tax-breaks to manufacture off shore. You said no. See red text above. Corporation's tax exposure is less if the corporation does manufacture off shore. When we can agree on that, perhaps we'll move on.

I'll try again, with smaller words just for you.

Well I appreciate it, but perhaps you should try smaller words just for you.

I want US companies to have lower taxes here, so they don't have lower taxes there. That means more jobs here.

I agree. It sure is stange why it takes a number of posts for you to agree that government does compel corporations to manufacture off-shore via tax incentives, whether intentional or not.

What's even stranger is watching you claim both in the same response.