Iran reportedly sends two warships to Atlantic

One missile, shot over the USA, with a nuke on it, can utterly and completely shut down every electrical circuit, device, etc. in the country. The USA would go back to the stone age in 30 seconds. The massive deaths would be unbelievable. You could not even bury the dead fast enough. Millions in hospital would die within hours. The Soviets put their brand new, super quiet submarine in the gulf of Mexico for months and we did not know it. What do you want to bet that we would even miss those ships floating around out there also. Mistake them for Florida fishing vessels.

Let’s just hope there will be a U.S.Navy Submarine will be shadowing those targets.It would be a big surprise to hear of a maritime disaster involving those tubs.

They’ll probably suffer some kind of structural failure at sea and sink beneath the waves.

Scud-in-a-Bucket ping

How many does China have?

Iran is already at war with us and our President is on their side! God help us, Obama won't--

I agree. I still wonder about that drone that Iran ended up with. I also still wonder about this:

The U.S. Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security asked South African authorities to block the transfer. It voiced concern that Iran's Revolutionary Guards intended to use the boat as a "fast attack craft." The bureau noted that similar vessels had been armed with "torpedoes, rocket launchers and anti-ship missiles."

Nonetheless, the loading went ahead because, according to one source, no one saw the U.S. notice sent by fax on a weekend. U.S. Special Forces were ready to intercept the Iranian merchant vessel but the operation was called off, the source said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040402889.html

Thanks for the ping.

This is more correctly described as a frigate and a supply ship. A frigate has limited ability to operate on its own in blue water.

In Bender2’s scenario, they would only have to get there. I’m sure there would be no plans for a return trip.

“One missile, shot over the USA, with a nuke on it, can utterly and completely shut down every electrical circuit, device, etc. in the country. “

You’ve been reading too much prepper fiction. The Soviets actaully did it to their own people and it didn’t even knock out a town.

Re: You’ve been reading too much prepper fiction. The Soviets actaully did it to their own people and it didn’t even knock out a town.

You have a source for this, Pappy? The following from is only one of many I can offer up:

Nuclear (NEMP) and high altitude nuclear (HEMP) Main article: Nuclear electromagnetic pulse

NEMP is the abrupt pulse of electromagnetic radiation resulting from a nuclear explosion. The resulting rapidly changing electric fields and magnetic fields may couple with electrical/electronic systems to produce damaging current and voltage surges.

In military terminology, a nuclear warhead detonated hundreds of kilometres above the Earth's surface is known as a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) device. Typically the HEMP device produces the EMP as its primary damage mechanism. The nuclear device does this by producing gamma rays, which in turn are converted into EMP in the mid-stratosphere over a wide area within line of sight to the detonation.

NEMP weapons are designed to maximise such effects, especially on electronic systems, and are capable of destroying susceptible electronic equipment over a wide area. The popular media often depict such EMP effects incorrectly, causing misunderstandings among the public and even professionals, and official efforts have been made in the USA to set the record straight.[1] [2]

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP)

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) is a weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse without use of nuclear technology. Devices that can achieve this objective include a large low-inductance capacitor bank discharged into a single-loop antenna, a microwave generator and an explosively pumped flux compression generator. To achieve the frequency characteristics of the pulse needed for optimal coupling into the target, wave-shaping circuits and/or microwave generators are added between the pulse source and the antenna. Vircators are vacuum tubes that are particularly suitable for microwave conversion of high-energy pulses.[3]

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles (such as the CHAMP missile) and drones, with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects, but without the political consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

The range of NNEMP weapons (non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse bombs) is much less than nuclear EMP. Nearly all NNEMP devices used as weapons require chemical explosives as their initial energy source, producing only 10−6 (one millionth) the energy of nuclear explosives of similar weight.[4] The electromagnetic pulse from NNEMP weapons must come from within the weapon, while nuclear weapons generate EMP as a secondary effect.[5] These facts limit the range of NNEMP weapons, but allow finer target discrimination. The effect of small e-bombs has proven to be sufficient for certain terrorist or military operations. Examples of such operations include the destruction of electronic control systems critical to the operation of many ground vehicles and aircraft.[6]

The concept of the explosively pumped flux compression generator for generating a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse was conceived as early as 1951 by Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union,[7] but nations keep work on non-nuclear EMP classified until similar ideas emerge in other nations.

Awaiting your sources--

Google is your friend

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html

Ping.

Sorry friend. I don’t read science fiction. I read history and real books. And it does work. Read something besides the NYSlimes.

Re: You’ve been reading too much prepper fiction. The Soviets actaully did it to their own people and it didn’t even knock out a town. and Google is your friend http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html

Gaszooks, Pappy... did you even read your source?

It is clear from the data that has been released on the E1 component of the pulse that the thermonuclear weapon used in Test 184 was particularly inefficient in producing EMP. In all thermonuclear weapons, pre-ionization of the upper atmosphere from the gamma radiation of the first stage of the weapon limits the peak electric field generated by the final burst of energy; and it appears that the peak electric field produced by Test 184 was not much more than 10 kilovolts per meter over any point in Kazakhstan. If the weapon had been a simple single-stage pure fission weapon of the same yield, the fast E1 component of the pulse would have been 3 to 5 times the intensity. (Even the W49 thermonuclear warhead used in U.S. Starfish Prime test would have yielded a fast E1 component that was more than twice the intensity of Test 184 at that location.)

The radar and the radios that were damaged in Test 184 were probably all vacuum tube equipment. Other than small consumer transistor radios (which were usually made in Japan during this time and used germanium transistors), the only solid-state devices that were commonly used in 1962 were selenium rectifiers in radio power supplies. The Soviet Union always had difficulty in manufacturing silicon solid-state devices due to their inability to achieve sufficiently accurate temperature control during the fabrication process. Even today, Russia is the leading country in the manufacture of vacuum tubes, with Svetlana tubes of St. Petersburg, Russia claiming to be the largest manufacturer of vacuum tubes in the world.

Although vacuum tubes are highly resistant to EMP damage, many other components in radio and radar equipment using vacuum tubes can be damaged by EMP.

Published reports, including the 1998 IEEE article by Greetsai and others, have stated that there were significant problems with ceramic insulators on overhead electrical power lines during the tests of the K Project. In 2010, a technical report written for a United States government laboratory (Oak Ridge National Laboratory) stated, "Power line insulators were damaged, resulting in a short circuit on the line and some lines detaching from the poles and falling to the ground."

As mentioned earlier, since the K Project high-altitude tests were done so close to the Baikonur Cosmodrome, the launch site for nearly all of the Soviet civilian space flights, including Sputnik 1 and Yuri Gargarin's first manned spaceflight, that I have often wondered if the EMP from the Soviet tests in 1962 did any harm to the spaceflight operations at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. Although I've never found a conclusive answer to this question, and the following comments are my own speculation, Soviet space missions did begin experiencing an unusual level of difficulties beginning in mid-October, 1962. Although connection of the technical problems with the space missions and the nuclear EMP is my own speculation, the quotations from NASA, as shown below, about these space missions are unedited factual statements taken from NASA web sites. Also, there was an unusually long period of months without any manned missions after the Soviet EMP tests. The next Soviet human spaceflights after the October, 1962 tests did not occur until the successful dual spaceflights of Valery Bykovsky (Vostok 5) on June 14, 1963 and Valentina Tereshkova (Vostok 6) on June 16, 1963. There have been longer gaps between Soviet manned spaceflights, and there are other possible reasons for the long delay before Vostok 5. Still, the overall pattern of spaceflight delays and failures points to possible EMP problems at Baikonur. The October 22 and October 28 tests must have delivered a large EMP at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. The 1962 Starfish Prime EMP in Hawaii would have been small in comparison, except out over the open ocean. Even the November 1 test (K-5, Test 195) probably delivered a rather large EMP at the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

So, do you still stand by your cocky post that we should not have any worry about EMP weapons as they are silly fiction? All because the Soviet Union in 1962 was not able to knock out a town that used vacuum tubes electronics because they did not have any of the solid-state electronics universally used today? Solid-state electronics that are fodder for an EMP weapon?

If you answer is yes, you are not only very, very wrong... you are an idiot for offering up a source that proves your original post was a load of horse hooey--

In this instance, Google was not your friend as it showed you to be a complete schmuck.

OK Bender, just sit in your bunker and shiver in fear. The big bad EMP is coming to take away your electricity.

Knock out the whole country. HAHAHAHA!!!

Re: OK Bender, just sit in your bunker and shiver in fear.

You are really one cold piece of manure, Pappy, are you not?

No one said anything about cringing in a bunker.

I only said that the Iranian ship was big enough to hide a rocket capable of firing a nuclear EMP weapon 300 miles over Kansas from the Gulf of Mexico. Exploding such would cause wide spread damage destroying all unprotected solid-state electronics which for the most part run all our cars, trucks, power plants (both conventional and nuclear), water plants, computers, I-pads, phones, kitchen appliances, you name it.

This would effect about 200 million people who live in fly-over country between LA and New York, putting them effectively back in the electronic stone age. No food nor medicine except what is on hand at the moment of the EMP. No way to get immediate help as all cars, trucks and railroad locomotives will not run. No phone, no computer, no I-pad, no electricity, no water to drink or fight fire. Of that 200 million effected I said up to 100 million would probably starve to death or die from lack of medical attention and/or supplies before proper help could reach them.

It is a capability that exist and is well known. I know you most likely do not know what 'capability' means, so here is the definition: 'A talent, ability or happenstance that has potential for development or use. Often used in military parlance.' If you don't understand any of these words, use your old pal Google.

Even the source you smugly Googled and offered up supports my posts rather than your "The Soviets actaully did it to their own people and it didn’t even knock out a town" post in retort.

And now after being shown to not know anything about what you claim, you add with a laugh: The big bad EMP is coming to take away your electricity. Knock out the whole country. HAHAHAHA!!!

You have proven you do not read your own source and if you read your own posts you would see what any reasonable person would see: an ignorant, non-caring little fool who is most likely either an ill-educated immature teenager or a grown man who never grew up nor ever got any book learning and has no likelihood in ever doing so.

And if a EMP did happen, you would probably be among the first to die because such unprepared simpletons always are--

So, if you wish to make a point of it, come knock on my front door and repeat your smug crap. I'll happily open the door and let you see that I am a sixty-seven year old man on a quad-cane.

I don't cringe, Pappy, nor shiver in fear. I was a Boy Scout before I got a college education and I am prepared for numb-nut airheads like you.

Yeah. 200 million people without power with one nuke. Of course it would.
You know Russia had cars and trucks in the 60’s, right? Those EMP’s didn’t kill them. But an Iranian nuke would do it.
If you flapped your arms hard enough, you have the capability to fly.

“So, if you wish to make a point of it, come knock on my front door and repeat your smug crap. I’ll happily open the door and let you see that I am a sixty-seven year old man on a quad-cane.”

You can’t scare me. I have cats.

Re; You know Russia had cars and trucks in the 60’s, right?

Are you that incredibley incredible stupid?

In the 1960s all autos, repeat, all autos, had a very simple ignition system, points and a condenser, like the 1960s vacuum tubes electronics mentioned in your world famous source. Today there is not any automobile or truck or railroad locomotive in the world that is made with that type of 1960s ignition system. They are all solid-state nowadays, just the type one nuclear EMP would knock out for good.

Look, if you suffer from some illness or malady that keeps you from making intelligent conversation with reasonable arguments, do not post.

The hole you keep digging just gets you deeper and deeper and soon you will not be able to get out. Cut your losses and shut up spewing silly nonsense that you cannot back up.

BTW there was a report tonight just about 20 minutes ago on the dangers of Iran possibly using a EMP against up on Fox News' "Special Report With Bret Baier" or is that another cuckoo group you believe are all cringing in their caves?

Sorry for the second post but I was so flabberghasted by AppyPappy's rubbish post that I did not proof it properly. My apologies--

Re: You know Russia had cars and trucks in the 60’s, right?

Are you that incredibly stupid?

In the 1960s all autos, repeat, all autos, had a very simple ignition system, points and a condenser, like the 1960s vacuum tubes electronics mentioned in your world famous source. Today there is not any automobile or truck or railroad locomotive in the world that is made with that type of 1960s ignition system. They are all solid-state nowadays, just the type one nuclear EMP would knock out for good.

Look, if you suffer from some illness or malady that keeps you from making intelligent conversation with reasonable arguments, do not post.

The hole you keep digging just gets you deeper and deeper and soon you will not be able to get out. Cut your losses and shut up spewing silly nonsense that you cannot back up.

BTW there was a report tonight just about 20 minutes ago on the dangers of Iran possibly using a EMP against us on Fox News' "Special Report With Bret Baier" or is that another cuckoo group you believe are all cringing in their caves?