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Navy Ordered to Drop LCS Fleet by 20 Ships
DoD Buzz ^ | January 16th | Kris Osborn

Posted on 01/16/2014 9:11:06 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: DariusBane

It is neither littoral nor combat ship. This lemon and crew must keep out of the beach as far as possible for safety reasons. A couple of T-72 tanks are capable to sink a dozen of ships like that under two minutes.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 4:42:15 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Yeah, this is a ship looking for a mission, not a ship built for a mission.

I guess it is just a gee-whiz R&D platform. That’s ok I guess, but they are trying to war game around it and integrate the LCS into strategy. Whatever. It’s just Chinese money after all.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 5:09:54 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Wise move. LCS + little crappy ships


23 posted on 01/16/2014 5:10:28 PM PST by X Fretensis
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The USS Freedom and the ships with that unique design are built by Austal here in Mobile, Alabama...Austal is the largest employer in Mobile.
24 posted on 01/16/2014 5:21:35 PM PST by blam
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To: Joe Brower

THis is a good decision. I think they should stop at 24 myself and then move on to a true multi-role frigate design.

However that still leaves us with 24 or 32 of these. They need to be made effective and I think they can...but they still cost too much.

The LCS has to fight in the littorals. In the littorals it may face numerous threats:

1) Small, perhaps swarming, fast boats mounted with machine guns and RPGs.
2) Corvettes and light frigates mounted with anti-shipping missiles.
3) Conventional diesel/electric or nuclear submarines.
4) Mines.
5) Aircraft.

The LCS is supposed to be designed to fight in this environment.

It does need a light, small missile, like the Longbow, and other weapons like the 30mm auto cannons it mounts, and the 57mm naval gun, to fight the small craft. A 6-12 mile range for combating these threats is adequate.

However, it will also face larger corvette and light frigate sized vessels in the littorals. Right now the LCS has no adequate offense for these types of vessels. They desperately need a longer range anti-shipping missile. The Harpoon would be great for this. One, four missile cannister would work and would be relatively easy to mount. So would a vertically launched Later they can add the VLS these vessels were deigned to ultimately have and place four of the coming LRASM missiles in them. The smaller missiles lack the effective range or size to combat these types of vessels.

The point is, for the role the LCS is meant for, it needs both capabilities. A 6-12 mile missile capability for “swarming” small vessels, and a 40-60 mile missile capability for larger corvettes and light frigates.

As to the submarines, with the capability to carry two medium ASW helicopters (SH-60s) and the capability in an ASW module to have various other options, it should be able to handle that mission.

As to mine warfare, with a Mine Warfare module that allows for remote hunting devices, its own weapons, and the ability to carry a MH-53 Sea Dragon anti-mine helo, it should be able to handle that mission as well.

As to aircraft, its Rolling Air Frame missiles (RAM) are meant to protect it from that threat, but they too are short ranged. By adding the eight cell VLS the vessels were designed for (but did not have installed) these vessels could then pack four of those cells with quad pack them with ESSM and then they would also have a very decent medium range anti-air capability too.

That’s the kind of thing they need to do for the 32 vessels they do build.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 8:56:10 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: DariusBane

Yea, yea, I know why they’re going down this dead-end road.

The fact remains that aluminum expands roughly three times as much as steel due to temperature changes.

And that means that stuff’s going to fail long before anyone takes a poke at the ship with a ballistic weapon.


26 posted on 01/16/2014 10:13:53 PM PST by NVDave
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I hear that many yacht owners make guests empty all change from pockets before coming aboard their yacht out of fear of a penny falling into a crack and eating a hole in the hull.

I didn’t think of the expansion differentials. How is that managed during welding? How do they stress relieve after welding?


27 posted on 01/17/2014 5:14:12 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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I have no direct evidence. I’ve done lots of welding on both types of metal, and being an engineer, I’m not daft enough to try to weld aluminum and steel together.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 7:08:32 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Do you know how they stress relieve a steel and aluminum joint?


29 posted on 01/17/2014 7:45:38 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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With aluminum having a temperature expansion coefficient about 50%+ more than that of steel, it doesn’t really matter how one stress relieves the joint.

It’s like that old Loverboy song: “Pig and Elephant DNA Just Won’t Splice.”


30 posted on 01/18/2014 12:21:42 PM PST by NVDave
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