Posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:01 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
Cops are allowed, even encouraged, to lie to you to get what they want. If you lie to them, it’s a crime.
Therefor, it’s safe to assume that all cops are liars.
Looks like a pretty clear violation of the spirit of the Fifth and Sixth Amendments:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall... be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;
But this case is not about what is allowable under the United States Constitution. The states can give citizens more rights than the ones enumerated under the federal Constitution. As such the issue here is whether or not New York State’s Constitution provides greater protection for citizens then does the federal rule
I want an attorney should always be the only answer
Sounds like the wussification of New York State is in full swing.
Coddling criminals! Disgusting!
What are those wussy judges going to do when they have to preside over a Police Sting Operation?
The FBI KNEW Richard Jewell was a lowly security guard who idolized them:
After initially sweating him, they pretended to drop their suspicions and then warmly buddied up to him over the course of some hours.
AND THEN:
They claimed they were making a training video, and they needed some character that would play the role of a perp who broke down after some questioning about “a bombing”, and then confessed to the crime.
“Would ya feel up to that, just to, like, help us out with that silly task, Dicky, ole buddy ole pal....?”
And Richard Jewell was within a whisker of doing just that. Then he remembered his college buddy from over a decade ago had become a lawyer, and Richard called him up:
“GET OUT OF THERE, FAT-A$$, IT’S A TRAP...!”
And his old roommate from college was right —the FBI intended to frame Richard Jewell for the Olympic Park Bombing, under pressure from Bill Clinton, who basically ORDERED an arrest.
THAT is your FBI.
“I want an attorney should always be the only answer”
I once read where one guy made that request, and the cops sent in an ASSISTANT DA. Well, he DID get an attorney, didn’t he? ;) Forgot how the appeals court ruled, but that trick doesn’t seem to happen any more, so maybe the cops were barred from employing it....
cops lie to me all the time and I am a lawyer
they really are twisted
I know the facts before I talk to them but they still lie, they are tiresome and think they are smart
but they are just not
once one of them offered to lie on the stand
I pled that case out. I was not putting a liar on the stand and I never trusted that dude again
If so, I’m guessing that he wasn’t allowed to discuss the case with the police or other DAs.
It is certainly the prudent thing to do.
Listen to the lawyers, do not talk to cops.
“Fabrication Of evidence during an investigation does not, by itself, iolate the Constitution” -Elena Kagan, then Solicitor General of the US (2009)
“We do not see how the existence of a false police report, sitting in a drawer in a police station, by itself deprives a person of a right secured by the Constitution and laws.” (Pottawattamie vs. McGhee)
Really? Where is it a crime to lie to the police? And what is the crime? Certainly not the case in California, but perhaps in other states. Would be curious to learn where this obtains.
You have a young family member who is suddenly missing. You call the police and an officer comes out. After you give the officer the information he requests assistance from the detectives. A detective arrives and listens to the information. As it turns out the detective recently had contact with a guy who lives in the area who is on parole for child molestation. He locates the guy and of course the guy nervous.
On a hunch the detective tells the guy that he was taped on a remote video taking the child. He tells him that the life of the child is important and he should tell where the child is. The guy hesitates, and then tells the detective the child is in a house a few blocks away. He leads the detective to the house and the child is found. The child is alive and basically ok but still needs medical treatment.
Do you - thank the detective, even though he LIED to the suspect?
Do you - curse the BEJESUS out of the detective because he lied to the suspect?
I remember reading about that case. The judges were not amused and unanimously threw the case out. I’m sure they didn’t come out and say that the ruse was stupid, but I’m sure that they had to be thinking it.
Second, I'm going to paraphrase Aristotle from the Nichomachean Ethics: 'No one selects an end unless it is a means to something else. There are no ends; there are only means.'
It is our means that distinguish us. While it is ethical to lie to save a life, it is not if there is an alternative.
Here is a proposed rule:
1. It is permissible for police to lie about the circumstances of the crime in order to solicit a confession.
2. It is not permissible for police to lie, or to make false threats, about collateral matters where doing so might induce a person to confess to the crime for reasons other than his own guilt.
3. In any criminal prosecution in which police are found to have lied about a material matter to a defendant, and the defendant is subsequently acquitted, the police shall be required to reimburse the defendant for the reasonable attorney’s fees and costs incurred defending himself against the charges for which he was indicted.
“Coddling criminals! Disgusting!”
Huh?
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