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It does seem a little perverse that a suspect can be prosecuted for lying to the police but the police think they should be able to lie to a suspect
1 posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:01 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Cops are allowed, even encouraged, to lie to you to get what they want. If you lie to them, it’s a crime.

Therefor, it’s safe to assume that all cops are liars.


2 posted on 01/14/2014 8:17:44 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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The Appellate Division, Second Department, unanimously reversed Aveni's conviction, finding that police "not only repeatedly deceived the defendant" but implicitly threatened to charge him with murder unless he confessed

Looks like a pretty clear violation of the spirit of the Fifth and Sixth Amendments:

...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall... be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;

One would think that would not mean "falsely informed."
3 posted on 01/14/2014 8:29:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take your home to pay for it.)
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IIRC the SCOTUS has ruled at least once that certain types of deception by police in dealing with suspects are legal.If I'm being questioned for a crime I know I didn't commit and,during that questioning,I'm told that my fingerprints were on the knife used to kill the victim my response won't be...”oh,then I must have done it”...it will either be “BS,I've never seen that knife in my life” or “perhaps they are,it's part of my cutlery set”.
4 posted on 01/14/2014 8:32:39 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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As I just posted in another thread - Never talk to the police
5 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:32 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; caww; All

Sounds like the wussification of New York State is in full swing.

Coddling criminals! Disgusting!

What are those wussy judges going to do when they have to preside over a Police Sting Operation?


8 posted on 01/14/2014 8:50:18 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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The FBI KNEW Richard Jewell was a lowly security guard who idolized them:

After initially sweating him, they pretended to drop their suspicions and then warmly buddied up to him over the course of some hours.

AND THEN:

They claimed they were making a training video, and they needed some character that would play the role of a perp who broke down after some questioning about “a bombing”, and then confessed to the crime.

“Would ya feel up to that, just to, like, help us out with that silly task, Dicky, ole buddy ole pal....?”

And Richard Jewell was within a whisker of doing just that. Then he remembered his college buddy from over a decade ago had become a lawyer, and Richard called him up:

“GET OUT OF THERE, FAT-A$$, IT’S A TRAP...!”

And his old roommate from college was right —the FBI intended to frame Richard Jewell for the Olympic Park Bombing, under pressure from Bill Clinton, who basically ORDERED an arrest.

THAT is your FBI.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 8:56:12 PM PST by gaijin
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cops lie to me all the time and I am a lawyer

they really are twisted

I know the facts before I talk to them but they still lie, they are tiresome and think they are smart

but they are just not

once one of them offered to lie on the stand

I pled that case out. I was not putting a liar on the stand and I never trusted that dude again


11 posted on 01/14/2014 9:16:15 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Lurker; Carry_Okie; Darren McCarty; Gay State Conservative; rstrahan; ...
Here's a hypothetical for all of you:

You have a young family member who is suddenly missing. You call the police and an officer comes out. After you give the officer the information he requests assistance from the detectives. A detective arrives and listens to the information. As it turns out the detective recently had contact with a guy who lives in the area who is on parole for child molestation. He locates the guy and of course the guy nervous.

On a hunch the detective tells the guy that he was taped on a remote video taking the child. He tells him that the life of the child is important and he should tell where the child is. The guy hesitates, and then tells the detective the child is in a house a few blocks away. He leads the detective to the house and the child is found. The child is alive and basically ok but still needs medical treatment.

Do you - thank the detective, even though he LIED to the suspect?

Do you - curse the BEJESUS out of the detective because he lied to the suspect?

16 posted on 01/14/2014 10:24:47 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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Satan is the father of ALL lies.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 4:36:56 AM PST by rsobin
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Same way with job applications, I doubt that I have ever seen a job application that did NOT say that furnishing false info was grounds for termination if discovered after hiring but I doubt that I ever accepted a job offer that did not turn out later to involve some misrepresentation on the part of the employer and sometimes blatant lying on the part of the person doing the hiring.


67 posted on 01/18/2014 7:04:05 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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