Posted on 01/14/2014 2:33:09 PM PST by BurningOak
Today U.S. District Judge Terence Kern ruled that Oklahoma’s ban on marriage equality is unconstitutional. His ruling is stayed pending appeal, meaning marriages will not occur immediately in the Sooner State.
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The ruling comes on the heels of a year-long string of electoral, judicial and legislative victories for marriage equality. In recent weeks both the New Mexico Supreme Court and a federal district judge in Utah have ruled in favor of marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
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And another problem, there was no income tax in the CW.
If the Northeast US/Chicago were to declare against the conservative South and Southwest, they could hardly expect to collect tax revenues from said enemies?
“The political and societal will to use brute force against a peaceful political process does not exist in our time.”
Hmmm, its just my opinion against yours, so no point arguing. However, you and I have very different opinions as to the nature of the people who rule us and what they will do to retain power.
They didn't search far. William Blackstone gave the rational link in his first book of Commentaries - THE legal textbook for the first 100 years from the country's founding. That reason is to protect the right of a child to have a mother and a father, and to protect the tax payers from having to support other people's children.
Against this backdrop, the Court’s task is to determine whether Part A of the Oklahoma Constitutional Amendment deprives a class of Oklahoma citizens – namely, same-sex couples desiring an Oklahoma marriage license – of equal protection of the law.
Therefore, the majority view in Oklahoma must give way to individual constitutional rights.
A couple is not an individual. An individual having a right to marry (someone of the opposite sex) does not imply that a couple has a right to be married to each other.
A SCOTUS decision upholding these rulings would be the final nail in the coffin for the Constitutional rule of law, and 226 years of legal precedent. I don't think they will do it.
Indeed. Should one or more states leave the union, they'd no longer be under any obligation to send tax dollars to Washington (the capitol of a foreign state).
If all (or even most) of the red states banded together and seceded, the blue states would collapse within a few short years. I predict they'd come begging for reunification, and at that point we'd set the terms.
“Secession is a purely political decision to leave a union of states.”
Excellent, Windflier.
“Can you tell me where the fed got the money to give back to the several States?”
Great question, txhurl
BurningOak is a DU troll that I can smell from a mile away. All it (Burning Oak) does is belittle patriots and try to crush the patriot spirit. It (BurningOak) is a troll.
Some time ago, we, meaning the good FR people, dumped nonsequitur. It’s time to do the same to the Burning Oak troll.
You seem like a smart chap. When you get a moment, stop and think your way through the basic component steps of secession by one or more states, with an emphasis toward the actions and reactions of both sides.
If you plot out how such a thing would unfold, using reason and logic, I think you'll agree that military retaliation against the secessionist states is unlikely.
You don’t know how many times I’ve wanted to post that image.
I want the Tshirt.
I was going to reply to your constant abuse but suddenly realized you are from Michigan, now, it all makes sense. Nice to see someone representing Detroit here. I now understand why you are offended at the notion of states needing to give up federal funds to be free.
Let me educate you. Michigan is a state that is entirely dependent on federal handouts, if tomorrow Obama forgot to send my money to Detroit, Michigan would instantly become Somalia without the nice weather. Massachusetts would secede from the union before Michigan. Welfare queens do not secede from their daddy, and slaves to federal dollars make poor revolutionaries.
I wrote a couple of thousand words about the probable outcome of secession by several red states recently. It was over the course of a longish debate I was having with a couple of other posters who were convinced that the federal government would bomb the red states back to the stone age if we ever dared to secede.
I probably should have saved them so I didn’t have to rewrite the entire argument out the next time I ran into the same paranoid opinions.
I'll bet somebody's got 'em.
Terence C. Kern (born 1944) is a United States federal judge.
Born in Clinton, Oklahoma, Kern received a B.S. from Oklahoma State University in 1966 and a J.D. from the University of Oklahoma College of Law in 1969. He was in the United States Army Reserve from 1969 to 1975. He was a general attorney of Federal Trade Commission, Division of Compliance, Bureau of Deceptive Practices from 1969 to 1970. He was in private practice in Ardmore, Oklahoma from 1970 to 1994.
Kern is a federal judge on the United States District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma. Kern was nominated by President Bill Clinton on March 9, 1994, to a new seat created by 104 Stat. 5089. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on June 8, 1994, and received his commission on June 9, 1994. He served as chief judge from 1996-2003. He assumed senior status in January 2010.
“The political and societal will to use brute force against a peaceful political process does not exist in our time.”
That’s an interesting point, didn’t think of that. You could be right. But if no state rejected the federal mandate to allow the murder of unborn people in 40+ years, I’m not sure we will see any state try it over federally imposed state recognized ‘gay marriage’ in 2014 or beyond. I mean you would think any such action by an individual state in 1973 over something cultural or involving morality would be more likely to happen back then than now.
On the other hand, the whole homosexualist agenda is about using the power of the state to be able to punish and keep punishing those who don’t buy into whatever impossibility the state puts forth as marriage. So there would be visible victims to publicly complain about it, as opposed to the victims of federally imposed legal abortion.
Freegards
“I was going to reply to your constant abuse but suddenly realized you are from Michigan...”
Your post is utterly stupid.
You assumed all kinds of crap about me and thought you had me pegged according to your preconceived notions based on Michigan. You don’t know squat about Michigan other than what you read about the shithole Detroit. I’d bet a fortune that you’ve never set foot north of the Mackinaw Bridge. God, you’re an ass.
What makes you think that I’m in Michigan, troll?
Sun Tzu and misdirection, troll. I’m coming after you and will see you thrown out of FR. You f’d up when you trashed all conservative states and said that Buckwheat will rule. Screw you, troll.
BTW, I’m STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!
How many states are controlled by patriots and conservatives vs the number of states controlled by liberals, you 50 IQ nazi ape?
Alot of angry insults and threats that do not make a whole lot of sense to me, something about Sun Tzu eating Buckwheat, I am pretty sure he ate rice :~)
This kind of tomfoolery is exactly why you fine folks in Detroit should not be able to buy liquor with your EBT cards, it just does you no good.
When you sober up I will be glad to have a civil and polite conversation with you. God bless you and good night!
I tried to be tolerant of the homo’s but that ended a few years ago. They need to get back in the closet where they belong.
California voted to ban queer marriages. That should have been a clue. There’s a big difference between tolerating their behavior and accepting it.
I keep waiting for a real political backlash to materialize. My theory is that the average person is still too hypnotized by the little conveniences of life to care (sports, video games, soap operas), hope they wake up in time.
” a couple of other posters who were convinced that the federal government would bomb the red states back to the stone age if we ever dared to secede.”
Those people are most likely fascist big government trolls who are scared shitless that they’ll be hanged from lampposts. So they use the threat of nuclear bombs to dissuade us from shooting their butts full of buckshot.
You keep writing about secession to your heart’s content, and send me copy.
Semper fi, Windflier, and best wishes to you and your family
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