Posted on 01/12/2014 10:48:56 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Democrats across the nation are eager to make increasing the minimum wage a defining campaign issue in 2014, but in California a proposal to boost the pay rate to $12 an hour is coming from a different point on the political compass.
Ron Unz, a Silicon Valley multimillionaire and registered Republican who once ran for governor and, briefly, U.S. Senate, wants state voters to endorse the wage jump that he predicts would nourish the economy and lift low-paid workers from dependency on food stamps and other assistance bankrolled by taxpayers.
A push for bigger paychecks for workers at the lower rungs of the economic ladder is typically associated with Democrats — President Barack Obama is supporting a bill in Congress that would elevate the $7.25 federal minimum to over $10 an hour.
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We don’t “send jobs” anywhere. Only a union idiot would believe that.
Unz is hard to pin down ideologically. He ran against Pete Wilson in California in 1994. Was Ron Unz the conservative alternative to the liberal Wilson? Or did Unz's stand on immigration make him more liberal than Wilson? Hard to untangle, maybe?
Unz's idea here is that higher working wages would mean the working poor wouldn't have to rely on government benefits like food stamps and medicaid. I don't think it would work out that way, but will resist the temptation to simply pile on and attack the man for expressing his opinion.
A lengthy piece by Ron Unz in which he warned of the looming danger of white nationalism, as represented by primitives of the redneck sort who were fed up with the flood of foreign nationals illegally inviting themselves to live in California:
“California and the End of White America”
http://www.ronunz.org/1999/10/17/california-and-the-end-of-white-america-2/
Our South Central LA pal Terry Anderson would have been amused to learn that he was a dangerous white nationalist. But then he knew Ron Unz to be the divisive and opportunistic phoney that he is.
Sure we do.
And I’m no union idiot.
Of course we send jobs places. Don’t be ridiculous.
Pay people more.....more cash in peoples pockets means people will start spending and prices will go up, right?
In a year 12 dollars a hr will be like the 8 dollars they used to get paid.
so we will have even LESS jobs and ever the more people signing up for the dole...
will these destructive people ever quit ? !?
hang on, friends, hang on... we have 3 more years of this downwards spiral....
Oh, do “we?” Are you an employer? I am. Why don’t you explain to us how one goes about “sending a job.”
What economic and regulatory factors do you suppose might adversely affect American competitiveness?
But he's dead wrong here.
Aren't there also issues with how some people would rather pick up the illegal alien on the street corner rather than hire the neighbor boy, due to liability issues/laws about hiring minors/tax issues etc.?
It isn't just "office jobs" (read: nonprofits, generally left-leaning) that build good work skills. There are many kinds of work skills to be built. One thing young people need to learn is how things are made and how money is made. Mike Rowe is right: they do need to get their hands dirty.
Employers send jobs all the time.
I am an employee so I am not speaking as a sender, but many many Americans have been unemployed by “American” companies who laid off the Americans, and sent their jobs to elsewhere. The exact jobs the Americans were doing, is now done in another country for less money.
Happens all the time. Millions and millions of jobs.
America has been racked by this, for an entire generation now.
Absolutely.
I’m not saying there isn’t a reason. Which is why I want our government to recognize this and change our tax code to start to entice American jobs back, to America.
But I absolutely think jobs are sent.
Every day. Absolutely.
You answered your own PITA refrain right there, for less money.
How would you propose companies manufacture product and sell at competitive prices when the cost to produce here cost exponentially more?
The short answer is, they can't and they won't...if they want to survive.
Where was the computer manufactured that you're typing on, did you send money to China?
A leftist plant pretending to be a conservative. Nothing new under the sun for socialists and their media propagandists
That is why I think it is high time for America to begin to charge significant import tariffs.
We are for crying out loud, now 17 trillion dollars in debt.
17 trillion dollars.
Bring back American manufacturing. If we charged import tariffs you would have defenses to competition from overseas, and you could have 100% ownership in your company right here.
Just saying. We’re not on opposite sides, I assure you.
>> Today’s teens are no longer mowing lawns, shoveling snow, or starting at the bottom.
Those services used to occur well before college. But I think liability concerns also turned off that particular labor faucet.
When, was the last time you ever saw treasury revenues used to pay down the debt?.
LOL, too many votes to buy, you'll never see it in your lifetime.
BTW, where is the computer you're typing on manufactured?
I've asked you that twice now on this thread and once on another thread earlier.
Why won't you answer?
China. My computer is imported from China. Sorry I wasn’t deliberately avoiding the question.
It’s an “American” brand as well.
Why? I believe is supports my point. Trade tariffs are a very important thing for America right now.
Bring back American jobs.
We need to balance out the global sourcing equation. Right now, it is entirely out of balance, and China is gobbling up ever more of the global sourcing market.
Yes. Even mine. I admit it.
California has ten an hour coming and it will reduce even further job availability.
Why and how does the low end benefit from not being hired?
You have to always get 200% from the employee to justify the wage. They are playing monopoly instead of the real world here.
Address that please.
Yeah I’m in California as well.
I have for a long time, been wanting to move.
So far, my job has however kept me here. We have lost about 50% of our American employees thus far though.
When that eventually has an issue, I’ll be out of here in a heartbeat.
No question.
Easy.
An employer in the US tells an employee in the US "Your services are no longer needed". Then, they send an e-mail to the division in India saying "You are now responsible for performing the work that the guy over here that I just got rid of used to do".
If that job involves software development, the division in India will fail miserably, but the Morons with MBAs in the US will rub their hands together in glee, saying "Yes, they're failing, but they're failing inexpensively".
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