Good catch!
Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
I can’t see video, but the photo of Rosa and Jacob Key at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/exclusive-2-survivors-in-molokai-plane-crash-speak-out/-/8905354/23461364/-/di8tpyz/-/index.html look to me as if Jacob’s skin is at least as dark as Rosa’s. Can’t see much of his hair but it doesn’t appear to be blond.
So who do you say is holding Fuddy’s hand by the door of the plane, if Yamamoto is over by Rosa Key?
Yamamoto is by the door of the plane with Fuddy, holding her hand or arm, as he described, the image of the man on the wing is far too fuzzy and indistinct to be conclusively identified, so it’s more a matter of what you want to believe imo. It stands to reason that Fuddy’s assistant would be closest to her, and the husband of the polynesian woman, Rosa Keys would be near her.
The bright sunlight makes him look a lot lighter than he is, he’s tanned almost black in the photograph with his wife after the event, he’s got a pony tail showing from beneath the back of his cap...
And I’m running out of time and puff.
I have to leave now, just wanted to tell you there’s no image there that I can see.
Jacob Key may be part Caucasian but he speaks in the native Hawaiian Pidgin English dialect in the television interview with him and his wife and he’s definitely part Pacific Islander and /or Asian.
I agree that that is Jacob Key in post #267. And in post #337. He does not look Caucasian to me. He looks Polynesian to me.
Have you ever seen a Polynesian with blond or blondish hair? Don't be confused with the wife, who I agree is of Asian background, quite possibly Polynesian. (There are plenty of mixed race marriages, especially in Hawaii.)
I’m not confusing anything. He looks Polynesian to me. As for his hair, it looks as if he’d dyed/bleached his hair at some point and is now letting it grow out so that the ends are lighter. Or perhaps it’s sun-bleached if he is outdoors a lot and wears a cap most of the time.
To me. YMMV
“I’ve read the protocols which ARE in effect for US Coast Guard rescue swimmers.’
It’s not the CPR protocol but the triage protocol that matters. If they are using the S.T.A.R.T triage model than the rescue swimmer would check if she is breathing and check for a pulse. If the answer was no to both of those then he opens her air way. If she is still not breathing, he moves on to the next victim.
Fred - take care of yourself. I hope your health improves and we see you back here soon.
Good catch!
Thanks, my cab is honking, I gotta go!
Thanks for posting the pic!
...Emergency Medical Services officials in Honolulu said a 74-year-old woman and a 39-year-old man were taken to the hospital in stable condition.”....
that’s the same EMS in Honolulu that said Fuddy didn’t get out of the plane...
I haven’t read the whole roughly 600-page document describing the USCG’s “directives”/protocols (at http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/16000-16999/CIM_16130_2F.pdf )but I’ve skimmed it all and read the relevant portions, and as far as I can tell they don’t have a triage protocol. The only time I saw triage mentioned was about forms/information that is to be transferred to a medical facility for that facility to do triage after the SAR mission is completed by transferring the victims to the “safe place” of a medical facility. If the Honolulu EMS met the 2 victims at the Makani Kai headquarters of the Honolulu airport, the USCG would have a checklist of information to give to the EMS crews so those crews could do triage.
They DO have a binding MEDICAL protocol, however, that all those who could be in an EMT role are required to know, and that is what I linked to, which is included in the appendix of this larger document.
At the beginning of this document it goes over the conventions of the terminology and reminds that the word “shall” denotes mandatory action according to policy. “May” is discretionary.
Looking at all the information the Coast Guard personnel have to be able to know and the tasks they have to be able to complete, I think there must be a lot of good and brave people in that agency. They didn’t go this route only to have their earnest desire to help be exploited for political purposes. I hate what this regime is doing to a lot of good people. Those caught in the middle need to come forward though. It’s the only way to stop the government from being a thug machine that harasses and destroys people to pad the purses and power of their cronies.
Sorry I seemed to have missed your reply.
The triage protocol is the S.T.A.R.T. triage method. It is a system made for the case of limited responders with multiple victims. Essentially, they categorize victims in to four classes:
Immediate (RED)– Life Threatening Injury
Delayed (YELLOW)– Serious Non Life Threatening
Minor (GREEN)– Walking Wounded
Morgue (BLACK)– Pulseless / Non Breathing
It’s the triage model used by the Canadian Coast Guard (it is linked on the USCG website) and at least one hospital on Oahu. The CCG describes it this way,
“3. Check Breathing. If not breathing, open the airway. If he does not start breathing tag him as Black. If he starts breathing when airway opened, roll for drainage and tag as Red. If breathing spontaneously but the rate is over 30 per minute tag him as Red.”
As I understand it the USCG uses the protocols from the local jurisdictions (in this case the DOH).
The rescue swimmer comes up to Fuddy (the second victim he examined), she is not breathing and she has no pulse. He has no idea how long she has been in this condition and he doesn’t know the condition of the remaining victims. Per the protocol, he moves on to another victim who he may be able to saved but who must be rescued quickly.
That’s true. And that claim was reitered the following day by the spokesman for the Moui County Police Department - even though the Police Chief is the active coroner for Fuddy’s death and should have been given all the reports from the original sources.
I wonder if that extra gal eventually got trapped under or in the plane, or something. Or if she was supposed to be a place-holder for there to be 9 persons for the rescuers to count and thing they got everybody, while Fuddy got whisked away somewhere or something. I’m so tired right now I don’t even know if that makes any sense. There’s just something weird about her being there, apparently taken to Queens directly, and everybody on that plane and in the NTSB and USCG acting as if she didn’t exist.
If somebody WAS caught inside or under the fuselage the Coast Guard rescue swimmers would not be allowed to retrieve them. That would require Coast Guard divers, which may have been sent on the cutter or any of the 3 Coast Guard boats.
What you understand is in direct contradiction to the published Coast Guard documents, which used very pointed language and said that if there are conflicts between policies the binding policy is that document that I linked to.
So what is your source for contradicting the official policies of the Coast Guard?
Also, you should know that when they talk about mass casualties - the situation where that kind of triage would be used - for reporting purposes there have to be at least 11 victims for it to be considered “mass casualties”. I’m trying to remember exactly what that article about rescue swimmer training said, but I think it said that each helicopter is supposed to be able to rescue and medically tend 6 victims without compromising anyone’s survival chances. There were 6 aircraft there. The 2 Coast Guard helicopters picked up a total of 3 people. If the Coast Guard’s spokeswoman was correct, one helicopter picked up only one person - a 70-year-old guy with no injuries and strong enough to wave and smile. It doesn’t make sense, from a medical standpoint. And it doesn’t follow the protocols.
Can you post the image that makes you think that Jacob Key has dirty blond hair?
You could probably ask these people about the protocols for triage. My understanding is they use the local protocols (Hawaii).
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/534195122
AST is the USCG designation for a rescue swimmer (Aviation Survival Technician).
I don’t for one minute believe that this heroic rescue swimmer passed over Fuddy because of some conspiracy.
Why go through the Rube Goldberg style machinations to kill her when it would be just as easy to sneak into her house in the middle of the night and jab her with one of your heart attack darts. Then when she didn’t show up for work in the morning, someone would go check on her and find the body.
You believe that everyone is involved in the conspiracy so much so they could have shot her with bows and arrows or run over her with a bulldozer and the coroner would still rule it a heart attack.
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