Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
If I was convinced the person was dead, yes, then I would move onto the living.
As a trained rescuer, I would know the difference between a dead person and an unconscious one.
Don’t get me wrong, you’re doing a heck of a job on this, BUT you weren’t in the water, the rescuer was, and if he says she was deceased, you can’t say she was unconscious.
Thanks for the link. So it IS Puentes. I guess facial recognition is not all that easy after all.
From his Facebook page:
“The adrenaline in me starts to ease down, the pain and throbbing on my neck, shoulder and back is coming on fast. Every shiver from being cold is hurting. I’ve complained about it earlier and came with a neck brace and a board to strap me down so I don’t rotate my neck or spine. Just to be safe. I was loaded into the helicopter headed to Honolulu. That ride was rough in the beginning, my neck, shoulders and back was hurting from the vibrations of the helicopter. As the time went by the vibration of it soon felt like a massage. So we arrived at the airport in Honolulu waiting to be transferred to the ambulance and headed to Queens Hospital.”
[then the picture of the mummy with the caption “Emergency Room’]
“They did all the test to see if any of my neck or spine were damaged, thankfully it was negative. I survived....”
So he’s cold and shivering and he’s got back and shoulder pains. They wrapped him in sheets and load him on plane and fly him to Honolulu.
Well, that clinches it, he’s not dead, he’s being treated for hypothermia. That report you posted is the first time I’ve heard about that, so thanks.
Looks like the person wrapped up in blankets was the photographer himself. He sure looks younger sleeping than while he’s taking photo’s of himself in the water...and there I was, I had him dead because he was looking so peaceful...
“Emergency Medical Services officials in Honolulu said a 74-year-old woman and a 39-year-old man were taken to the hospital in stable condition.”
He doesn’t look like that in the photos of himself that he posted online from earlier, but I guess if he says that’s him it must be him. Although he doesn’t ever actually say it’s him in the emergency roo. Did he ask somebody to take his photo before, or after, he fell asleep?
Thanks, that’s the article from December 11 which caused us to comment that there’s no way those numbers add up:
“Five people were pulled from the water alive by Maui fire crews. The Coast Guard pulled three more people from the water alive.
Three people on the plane were transported to Oahu. Three others went to Molokai General Hospital and two declined treatment and are planning to stay in Kalaupapa overnight, according to Maui fire officials.
Emergency Medical Services officials in Honolulu said a 74-year-old woman and a 39-year-old man were taken to the hospital in stable condition.
The Coast Guard was using two helicopters and one C-130 plane in the search and rescue operation. The Coast Guard Cutter Ahi from Honolulu and a boat from Coast Guard Station Maui were also on the scene.”
Maybe the 74 year old woman was the tourist with the bare arms and the 39 year old man was the photographer? Reading this is like trying to herd cats.
All we’ve learned today so far is that the person on the bed isn’t a woman, it’s a young man and his name is Puentes, he’s the photographer and he was treated in hospital, as the photograph shows.
The thing under his chin (first pic) is a neck brace.
Can’t be sure it’s him on the bed, but the majority opinion on this thread is that it is the photographer, and I don’t want to argue about it. There are some here who have already cast aspersions upon my facial recognition abilities - which harks back to numerous images I have posted in the past trying to identify who zero didn’t look like when he was a toddler.
Some never miss an opportunity to revel in a small mistake made by those they don’t agree with. So I’ll go along, because I can’t find that extra passenger either.
We know something smells but as usual, the lies get halfway ‘round the world before truth can get her shoes on.
And zero is one lucky s.o.b. because now the one person in Hawaii who could sink him is in her Subud heaven and will never be a threat, because she was a naive soul who believed she was doing it all for the greater good...that’s why she got the job I guess.
The unhealthiest health director of all time. She should have been at home with her cat.
Yes, I’m aware now that it’s a neck brace. It’s also something used to keep the mouth closed in someone who has died. Made an error there, didn’t I?
‘He doesn’t look like that in the photos of himself that he posted online from earlier, but I guess if he says that’s him it must be him. Although he doesn’t ever actually say it’s him in the emergency roo. Did he ask somebody to take his photo before, or after, he fell asleep?’
Maybe it’s not the real Puentes. Maybe they substituted a (kinda sorta) lookalike for the real Puentes between the water rescue & the hospital. Maybe the real Puentes knew too much. [Sorry; just kidding. (Hope this doesn’t start a new/fake conspiracy. We’ve already got plenty of real ones.)]
This guy appears to have a ponytail, and if the dark mark on his cheek is glasses, it is a wider bow, not the narrow wire bows that Yamamoto has.
Certainly it's far from certain that the man in the image has a ponytail. And it's conceivable that Yamamoto could have been wearing eyeglasses with frames different than the eyeglasses he was wearing in his file photo from a couple of years ago. But that file photo tells us that Yamamoto has some visual impairment mitigated by eyeglasses; so does the man in the picture, or else he wouldn't be wearing glasses in the emergency.
The photo by the ambulance, where the rescue workers are patting somebody on the back (which seems like it would be the “distraught” Yamamoto who would need the extra comforting pat on the back) shows him wearing blue swim trunks (as he was later described at the Honolulu airport) and a sweatshirt, which he was probably wearing over the top of the shirt he was seen leaving the Honolulu airport in at about 7pm.
Haven't seen that photo. But if you say Yamamoto was wearing a sweatshirt and swim trunks at 7 p.m. that day, it certainly doesn't rule out the possibility that he had been given the sweatshirt to wear over the gray (?) shirt he may have been wearing earlier in the day in the image at # 45.
That guy could be Jacob Key.
No way! Key is Caucasian and has sandy brown hair. (Saw him on a video standing next to his wife, Rosa, who is the heavy-set woman of Asian heritage who was wearing the white shirt with the gray stripes in the water. Rosa was being interviewed about the incident.)
The guy we're talking about in the image is of Asian background and he's NOT the pilot Kawasaki. And he's not over 70 years old, or at least doesn't appear to be. By a process of elimination - assuming that the passenger and pilot identifications are correct - Keith Yamamoto is most likely the man in the image, second person from the right. (The first person from the right is surely Rosa Key.)
I’ve read the protocols which ARE in effect for US Coast Guard rescue swimmers. It’s at http://www.uscg.mil/health/docs/pdf/sar_cpr_protocols.pdf
Dang it. I had this typed up and then my computer suddenly closed my internet pages. When I restarted and Firefox “recovered” the pages it had the above paragraph but not any of the rest of it. The computer has been going inhibitingly slow on everything today. Once I re-started Outlook Express, which had suddenly closed on its own, I sent myself some links I wanted to look at, to my newly-restored hushmail account, so I could look on one of the other computers in the house, but when I went to sign in to my hushmail account it said that my hushmail account doesn’t exist. sigh. More hope n change I guess. I wonder what hushmail will say when I contact them this time. The more flak I receive, the more I know I am over the target.
Anyway, go look at that site and see that these are the protocols in effect and that a person is “obviously dead” if they are decapitated, charred, have brain, heart, lungs, or liver separated from the rest of their body, or have rigor mortis. In making the determination of whether there is a heartbeat and respiration (which has to be done if the victim is not obviously dead) they have to use a heart monitor and stethoscope if they’ve got one. I’m sure they had one in the helicopter, so to follow this protocol they had to get Fuddy into the helicopter and then make the determination. How confident would a medical person be that they could make an accurate determination with ocean spray, waves, and bobbing motion going on all around them?
If you read the part on hypothermia, they are required to keep suspected hypothermic victims horizontal - and yet we’ve got the photos of the rescuees being raised in sitting position. So they apparently didn’t suspect hypothermia. What, then, did they consider the emergency condition of the other victims, that kept them from obeying the protocols for Fuddy?
If they have victims who are hypothermic they are supposed to get them to a medical facility ASAP. Not 2 hours later. But then, the Coast Guard was supposed to be airborne in a rescue helicopter 5 minutes after receiving the call. It’s a 15-minute flight from Honolulu in the slower aircraft, and yet it took over an hour for them to arrive at the scene of the crash, according to the NTSB timeline, which I would hope has been corroborated with all the sources.
At http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/inside-the-coast-guard-rescue-swimming-school-20131030 it describes the rescue swimmer training. One of the first tests is to rescue a panicking “victim” - in this case 230 pounds worth - who grabs them and pulls them under, within 7 minutes. I’ve read most of the rescue swimmers training manual at http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/3000-3999/CIM_3710_4C.pdf , and this seems like the most difficult, time-consuming rescue there is in non-stormy waters, except perhaps putting somebody on a back board to lift them.
The two Coast Guard helicopters lifted from the water 3 people total, and the other passengers had no injuries, were floating in life vests, and were not handled as if they were suspected to be hypothermic when they were lifted. The Coast Guard swimmers “didn’t have time” to lift Fuddy?
I think it's the same man, he's not wearing glasses, it's a shadow, and the watch looks the same to me, his hair is pulled back in a pony tail and it's visible on his neck, it looks like a collar, but it isn't. He's blowing up a vest, and his wife is the polynesian woman in the striped T shirt, closest to the camera.
All open to criticism of course.
Compare with this photo: http://instagram.com/p/fJwcpYO30W/#
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