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Hospital won't aid transfer of girl on ventilator
Yahoo News ^ | Dec. 31, 2013 | Lisa Leff & Terry Collins (AP)

Posted on 01/02/2014 1:08:18 PM PST by Anton.Rutter

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — A California hospital is unwilling to allow an outside doctor to fit a 13-year-old declared brain dead after tonsil surgery with the breathing and feeding tubes that would allow her to be safely transferred to another facility, its lawyer said Tuesday.

Children's Hospital Oakland will not permit the procedures to be performed on its premises because Jahi McMath is legally dead in the view of doctors who have examined her, lawyer Douglas Straus wrote in a letter to the girl's family.

"Performing medical procedures on the body of a deceased human being is simply not something Children's Hospital can do or ask its staff to assist in doing," he said.

The refusal appeared to reverse the position articulated Monday by a hospital spokesman. He said the hospital would allow a doctor retained by the family to insert a feeding tube and to replace the oral ventilator keeping Jahi's heart beating with a tracheal tube — surgical procedures that would stabilize Jahi if she is moved to a facility willing to keep caring for her.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; euthenasia; health; jahi; jahimcmath; lifesupport; mcmath; obamacare; righttolife; sarahwasright; sleepapnea; tonsillectomy; waronchildren
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Jahi underwent a tonsillectomy and related procedures at Children's Hospital on Dec. 9 to treat sleep apnea. Her family said she went into cardiac arrest after she started coughing up blood in the recovery room.

She was declared brain dead three days later. The hospital then moved to take her off the machines that are keeping her heart and lungs going a few days before Christmas.

1 posted on 01/02/2014 1:08:18 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter
Evidently hospitals own your @$$ when you set foot in one.
2 posted on 01/02/2014 1:10:11 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Is her father’s name “John Q”?


3 posted on 01/02/2014 1:13:43 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If they’re concerned about liability I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the lawyers to write up a binding waiver.


4 posted on 01/02/2014 1:15:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Anton.Rutter

In all the stories I’ve read and all the TV coverage, the phrase “organ donor” never comes up.


5 posted on 01/02/2014 1:16:41 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Anton.Rutter

Just say it’s part of her decision to get an abortion.


6 posted on 01/02/2014 1:17:27 PM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I guess they don’t want their asses sued off anymore than is necessarily going to happen anyway.


7 posted on 01/02/2014 1:17:32 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I really do not understand why the hospital is being so Obama-y (substitute word for sh*thead) about this. They are already in deep Obamastuff, and one would think they’d cooperate so as to reduce their upcoming settlement from $1 billion to half that.


8 posted on 01/02/2014 1:18:51 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Anton.Rutter

That’s a hospital with a heart.

-The girl goes in the hospital for something routine, something goes wrong and they declare her brain dead and want to pull the plug.

-Family keeping hope want to keep her on life support longer so trying to move her and hospital seems to be making it as difficult as they can for them.

Great PR


9 posted on 01/02/2014 1:19:12 PM PST by skyman
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There is no one more pro-life than me. My credentials are well established on this issue. I have watched this case since I heard about it as I am both an anesthesiologist and intensive care physician. Sadly, the popular media is excoriating the hospital, and it seems same here on free republic. The fact of the matter is that brain death invokes the LEGAL DEFINITION of death. Let me explain to all how brain death is diagnosed.

After all the body chemistries are normalized and the body itself is warm to the point that it looks physiologically normal, the patient is taken off the ventilator. This is called an apnea test. If in 10 minutes there is no respiratory effort, this confirms whole brain death. Additionally, there are reflex tests that ascertain if even the lowest and most primitive part of the brain are working. ICe water is shot into the ears, looking for a response of the eyes (ice calorimetrics).

If the brain does not trigger the most rudimentary of reflexes which is to say to provide oxygenation by breathing, the only think that is happening to this child is that he heart is being kept alive in some bizarre and sick popular play. No doubt the parents are seeking retribution and milking this for all they are worth.

This is absolutely no different than how an organ may be kept alive outside the body by oxygenating it, etc. but it is independent of the body. Sadly, this child is dead, and I support the hospital as a matter of ETHICS for not contributing to this facade any further.

10 posted on 01/02/2014 1:19:24 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: Anton.Rutter

“Her family, citing religious beliefs and the hope that she will pull through, wants to continue life support.”

That one sentence not only sums up the entire story but also defines America under Obama and only the second day of ObamaCare.

The family’s First Amendment Rights of Freedom of Religion are being denied and the girl has fallen victim to an ObamaCare Death Panel.


11 posted on 01/02/2014 1:20:51 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: skyman

She’s dead. what do you want them to do?


12 posted on 01/02/2014 1:21:31 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I miss you, dad. :()
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To: Anton.Rutter
replace the oral ventilator keeping Jahi's heart beating with a tracheal tube

Somebody help me out here. I thought oral ventilators simply kept the lungs functioning. Is there such thing as an oral ventilator that keeps the heart pumping?

13 posted on 01/02/2014 1:21:47 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Anton.Rutter; GeronL

The more of a pain in the @$$ the hospital officials are in this case, the more I am going to side with a generous punitive settlement when the wrongful death case comes to court.


14 posted on 01/02/2014 1:21:55 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

me too


15 posted on 01/02/2014 1:22:23 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: a fool in paradise

The hospital didn’t do anything wrong. Good luck with that.

It is unethical to molest a dead body in every state int he union.


16 posted on 01/02/2014 1:23:00 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I miss you, dad. :()
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To: cripplecreek

“If they’re concerned about liability I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the lawyers to write up a binding waiver.”

This is probably a macho urination contest more than perceived liability issue. But on the subject of waivers, courts have held that you can’t waive your right to sue.

But they’d be much better off ending this affair sooner rather than later. As their administrator, I’d assist the heck out of anybody who’d get her out of my hospital.


17 posted on 01/02/2014 1:23:15 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: massgopguy
I am not of a litigious nature, but I bet that there are some very good lawyers who are starting to salivate over this.

Somebody should have their ass kicked.

18 posted on 01/02/2014 1:23:28 PM PST by North Coast Conservative (God created man, Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: skyman

“amily keeping hope want to keep her on life support longer so trying to move her and hospital seems to be making it as difficult as they can for them.”

Hospital says they will cooperate when a plan is made and a destination willing to accept. So far there is no plan and no facility named to send the girl to.


19 posted on 01/02/2014 1:23:33 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: gas_dr

Do you know if all those tests were done or is that simply standard procedure?
If her brain is dead, does the body absorb the dead tissue?
If she is brain dead, is it still possible for her to breathe without a ventilator?


20 posted on 01/02/2014 1:24:24 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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