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1 posted on 12/26/2013 6:46:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bad luck and poor choices. But mainly poor choices.


2 posted on 12/26/2013 6:52:20 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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It's partly the ovarian lottery, but then, what is poverty? The ovarian lottery also controls expectations to some degree. A child born to a billionaire has different life expectations than a child born in a small village in Sudan.

And it is actually possible for the latter to live the happier life.

3 posted on 12/26/2013 6:52:40 AM PST by cuban leaf
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Bad luck, a failure to learn from past mistakes, not having the integrity to own up to those mistakes, and generally doing stupid crap to being with...

Yeah... I’d say there’s more than just one variable at play here and no... Love alone ain’t gonna fix it.


4 posted on 12/26/2013 6:53:26 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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Bad luck?

Well, I suppose losing lottery tickets, of which 99.99% are losing tickets can be considered bad luck.

But hey, the losers are supporting our schools since that is what ALL states with lotteries used to convince their citizens that the money would be used to fund.

5 posted on 12/26/2013 6:58:32 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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This sounds like an argument against the American Dream where anyone can rise up form poverty to become rich or the president. You can’t make it so give up seems to be the message to me. It could also be a message to an migration bill that the illegals need our help, which will turn int their staying poor.


9 posted on 12/26/2013 7:01:09 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Poverty is mostly the result of sin. People do bad things and bad things happen to them. Not from Karma, but from the police, their family members, co-workers, and bystanders. If you smoke crack someone will shoot you for it or the money. If you sell pot, you might go to jail. If you slap the old lady around, you get a handcuff. Nothing like drug addiction, a bullet in the chest, or a police record to create poverty. And, not just in the person with the handcuff on, but their family members as well.

Sure there is bad luck. But that is not what causes the ghetto poverty in the US. It is caused by sin.

10 posted on 12/26/2013 7:03:59 AM PST by anton
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Ah, the old “Do we have free will?” question. Liberals always seem to come down on the side of “No.”


12 posted on 12/26/2013 7:06:09 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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Poverty is finacially relative, according to those around you , either by geographic location or nationality.
Disagree ? <
Then compare the poverty of those who live in Detroit
with those who live in poverty in North Korea.

13 posted on 12/26/2013 7:06:42 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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Bad choices and a lack of education. Poor schools combined with in many Black schools a disdain for learning leaves the “graduates” or drop outs without the basic skills needed to hold even menial jobs. Case in point Rachel, the 20 year old high school senior testifying at the Trayvon Martin trial. Being on the government dole also virtually assures poverty. For example the poorest county in the US is Shannon county, SD, the Pine Ridge Indian reservation, where every person is a ward of the government getting cash government allotments, free medical care, free education including college, mostly free government housing and food stamps.


16 posted on 12/26/2013 7:08:55 AM PST by The Great RJ
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Upbringing matters - and that is a function of culture.

So everybody stop hiding behind diversity and crying racism and get off yer duff and straighten out your act.


18 posted on 12/26/2013 7:09:36 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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The Kristoff line of thinking seems to lead more to the Sanger/PP line of thinking, or perhaps the forced sterilization of the poor.


19 posted on 12/26/2013 7:10:34 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Poor people make poor choices...and it is nothing following the 10 Commandments can’t solve


22 posted on 12/26/2013 7:14:26 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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My parents both grew up with poverty such as few in modern America can imagine - but they grew up in families, were raised with discipline and taught to work. None of the kids lived in poverty as adults.

My wife was born in the Philippines, and knew poverty greater than any American I’ve met - but she also grew up in a family. Some of her brothers are alcoholics who continue to live in poverty. If you send them money, they buy booze. But she and several of her sisters grew up as hard workers, and those sisters have all done well. A couple of brothers have also done well for themselves in the Philippines.


23 posted on 12/26/2013 7:15:01 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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I like the Robert Heinlein quote:

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

24 posted on 12/26/2013 7:16:51 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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Particularly because I'm fairly widely traveled both in the US and foreign countries (First World *and* Third World) there's so,so much I could say about poverty...including poverty here in the US.But I'll just say this...in East Africa I've seen little black kids with orange/red hair,big swollen bellies and little stick legs...three of the classic signs of desperate,long term,malnutrition.OTOH,we in the US have the *fattest* "poor" people on the face of the earth.

To this nation's "poor" I say (paraphrasing Sgt Barnes's great line in Full Metal Jacket) "Poverty? What do y'all know about poverty?"

25 posted on 12/26/2013 7:18:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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It can be. Let's not get utopian about any economic system (including ours).
26 posted on 12/26/2013 7:20:45 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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I was born dirt poor in Kansas to a father who drug himself out of poor status. I did the same.


27 posted on 12/26/2013 7:20:46 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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There are a lot of factors in this equations of which luck is a large one. However, I believe the main factor is education of the child. That includes parenting and schooling.


28 posted on 12/26/2013 7:20:57 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is a microcosm of his presidency, and the entire marxist fantasy.)
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“Life at the Bottom, The Worldview That Makes the Underclass” by Theodore Dalrymple. An excellent book that explains that a lack of virtues creates poverty rather than poverty leading to a lack of virtues. It is a thoughtful book that captures your attention with examples drawn from the author's experience as a prison doctor and psychiatrist.
29 posted on 12/26/2013 7:22:26 AM PST by Teotwawki (For a person to get a thing without paying for it, another must pay for it without getting it.)
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A single black mother has two children. One says she wants to do more, doesn’t get knocked up, finishes high school, moves on to college, becomes a professional. Sister gets knocked up at 16, keeps it, has another kid by 18 to get her own apartment.
One breaks the cycle of poverty, though probably helps out her mother and sister and sister’s kids. The other perpetuates the cycle of poverty.
Same womb, different outcomes because of different choices.

Two boys act up and act out as tweens. Given the choice of jail and military school, one goes to school and the other joins the military. From military school to military, one gets a good course correction and moves on to employment and a chance at a decent life. The other goes from jail to living with friends to jail to infrequent minimum wage jobs. Different choices, different outcomes.


32 posted on 12/26/2013 7:29:53 AM PST by tbw2
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