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Is Methane Hydrate the Energy Source of the Future?
National Journal ^ | December 24, 2013 | Clare Foran

Posted on 12/24/2013 5:59:30 AM PST by thackney

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To: thackney

In the mid 80’s I inspected a string of 9 5/8” drill pipe that was to be used for offshore mining, it’s like a deep dredging operation from what I understand.

One of the problems they had with the mining was the hydrates would come up with what they were mining for and could blow up the mining ships if they didn’t get rid of it fast enough.

The ship also had to be far enough away from where they were mining because they hydrates would release all at once and there would be a huge bubble of gas released.


21 posted on 12/24/2013 7:07:11 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Sherman Logan

I think the vast, vast majority is on the continental shelf in 1 - 5 thousand feet of water.

Not enough ambient pressure under the permafrost to stabilize it.


22 posted on 12/24/2013 7:07:19 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: IMR 4350

It is methane. The oil/gas industry is quite used to handling methane.

If you want to mix it with air and keep it near ignition sources, it will react the same as any other natural gas source.

The hydrates do not exist directly on the top layer of the sea bed. They are buried, typically hundreds of feet deep.


23 posted on 12/24/2013 7:10:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: djf; Sherman Logan

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Natural gas hydrate occurs worldwide in oceanic sediment of continental and insular slopes and rises of active and passive margins, in deep-water sediment of inland lakes and seas, and in polar sediment on both continents and continental shelves. In aquatic sediment, where water depths exceed about 300 m and bottom water temperatures approach 0° C, gas hydrate is found at the seafloor to sediment depths of about 1100 m. In polar continental regions, gas hydrate can be present in sediment at depths between about 150 and 2000 m. Thus, natural gas hydrate is restricted to the shallow geosphere where its presence affects the physical and chemical properties of near-surface sediment.

This updated global inventory reports on natural gas hydrate recovered from 44 regions worldwide and includes 113 regions where the presence of gas hydrate has been inferred from geophysical, geochemical, and geological evidence. The potential amount of methane in natural gas hydrate is enormous, with current estimates converging around about 10 exagrams (10,000 gigatons) of methane carbon. This large reservoir of methane, located globally within 2000 m of the solid surface, is of major interest as a potential:

energy resource,
factor in global climate change, and
geohazard.

A Global Inventory of Natural Gas Hydrate Occurrence
U.S. Geological Survey
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/globalhydrate/

24 posted on 12/24/2013 7:17:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: djf

http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/FutureSupply/MethaneHydrates/projects/DOEProjects/MH_42496ScientificStudies.html

Accomplishments

Task 1 – Characterization and Assessment of Natural Gas Hydrates in Permafrost Environments
This task addressed the critical issues associated with potential production of gas hydrates (and associated free gas) in the Prudhoe-Kuparuk area of the Alaska North Slope. The primary focus was to assess the geophysical characteristics of in situ natural gas hydrates and to support U.S. DOE-funded extended gas hydrate production tests of the Eileen and Tarn gas-hydrate/free-gas accumulations.

USGS worked directly with BPXA and their contractors to design and implement the North Slope of Alaska Mt. Elbert 1 Gas Hydrate Test Well, which was spudded on February 3, 2007.

The USGS coordinated the efforts of BPXA and the U.S. DOE at Milne Point, Alaska, and participated in wellsite wireline coring, well logging, and sampling/pressure testing using a modular formation dynamics tester (MDT) during the 22-day drilling program. The project cored to a depth of 760 meters, logged to a depth of 914 meters, and tested for gas hydrate response at four depth intervals using MDT. From the coring program, there was 85% recovery, with approximately 250 samples selected for laboratory analyses and 11 gas-hydrate samples preserved in either liquid nitrogen or pressure vessels for analysis.

The major scientific achievement at this site is that two high-saturation gas hydrate-bearing intervals were identified, as predicted from pre-drilling geological and geophysical analysis using prospecting methods developed by the USGS. The two units were an upper 14-m thick gas hydrate-bearing reservoir of sandstone (unit “D”) and a lower 16 m thick unit, also a reservoir. Both units had gas hydrate saturations of 60–75%. Two technological firsts were also achieved: (1) conducting wireline retrievable coring in the relatively unconsolidated sub-permafrost sediments in the North Slope and (2) conducting open-hole MDT testing within gas hydrate-bearing intervals. For more information see the BP Exploration Alaska project, “Alaska North Slope Gas Hydrate Reservoir Characterization” (DE-FC26-01NT41332).

The wireline logging produced an outstanding dataset of permafrost and gas hydrate properties. The open-hole MDT testing also produced an outstanding dataset of gas hydrate response during testing. Research is now being conducted to analyze the physical formation properties of the Mt. Elbert samples and to compare the detailed drilling results with pre-drilling models so that the models can be refined and improved. A Mt. Elbert data set was also developed as a case study to be utilized in the DOE-funded “International Effort to Compare Methane Hydrate Reservoir Simulators”.

Using calibration data from the Mt. Elbert gas hydrate stratigraphic test well, the USGS has reprocessed and inverted 3-D seismic data to further refine the limits of the Milne Point Units C and D gas hydrate occurrences. This effort has resulted in the generation of an updated time-depth model, a structural map, a hydrate saturation map, and hydrate reservoir thickness maps for Mt. Elbert prospect. The USGS continues to participate in project meetings focused on detailed planning for the future Alaska North Slope long-term gas hydrate production testing program under a new IA, DE-FE0002911. USGS efforts also included developing and editing papers prepared for the North Slope of Alaska Mount Elbert Gas Hydrate Stratigraphic Test Well Scientific Results Volume, to be published as a special edition of Marine and Petroleum Geology. USGS scientists made a major commitment to this special volume by authoring and/or coauthoring over half of the 25 papers included in this publication.

USGS scientists provided technical and scientific support for the ConocoPhillips (CP) project by contributing to the development of the coring and logging research plan for the upcoming “CO2 gas hydrate production test well.” The USGS contributions included providing required geologic data from our historical work in northern Alaska, and providing expert knowledge on well logging, conventional coring, pressure coring, seismic characterization, sediment physical properties, organic geochemistry, and process modeling.

With the Bureau of Land Management, the USGS processed and analyzed 3-D seismic grids and related 2-D seismic and well data from the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPRA) in order to identify gas hydrate prospects. This research focused on gathering existing geologic and geophysical data to construct a new gas hydrate stability map for the eastern portion of the NPRA. The research resulted in a new North Slope Alaska gas stability field map as interpreted from the USGS “Borehole Temperature Logs from Arctic Alaska”. These data have been released on the following web site, http://esp.cr.usgs.gov/data/bht/alaska/ [external site].

In a related effort, in collaboration with the Bureau of Land Management, the USGS completed the first assessment of undiscovered technically recoverable gas hydrate resources beneath the North Slope of Alaska. For the Northern Alaska Gas Hydrate Total Petroleum System, the USGS estimated that the total undiscovered natural gas resources in gas hydrate are about 85 trillion cubic feet (TCF). More information can be found at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2008/3073/ [external site].


25 posted on 12/24/2013 7:22:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

The oil and gas industry is used to handling the controlled release of oil and gas.

Uncontrolled release is called a blowout.

It happens.

The mining ships found hydrates on the surface or right below the surface, when it’s disturbed it can release all at once like a well blowing out only on a much larger scale, several acres in size so they said.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 7:26:50 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

so they said

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Key part of your story. I’m confident you did the work and were told that information, I am not doubting you at all.

It probably happens with significantly changing conditions of sufficient magnitude, say a earthquake in the area.


27 posted on 12/24/2013 7:33:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

It was the mining that disturbed it, not an earthquake.

It becomes super saturated with gas, once the excess pressure is released it’s like normal hydrates apparently.

Somewhat like a frozen beer.


28 posted on 12/24/2013 7:49:40 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
It was the mining that disturbed it, not an earthquake.

And there was a "blowout"? or was there just a concern of a possible risk of it?

It becomes super saturated with gas, once the excess pressure is released it’s like normal hydrates apparently.

What do you consider "normal" hydrates and how do you think that differs from methane hydrates?

29 posted on 12/24/2013 7:52:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I’ve had quite a lot to do with attempts to exploit methane hydrates over the years. Numerous meetings with the Japanese in particular. All I can is that, “Yes, it’s there and getting it won’t be easy.” Some nice work has been done by BP and a few other companies on land based methane hydrates. The huge quantities offshore are somewhat more difficult to exploit.


30 posted on 12/24/2013 8:00:08 AM PST by Bayan
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To: thackney

Yes there were blowouts apparently because they had to keep the location being mined far enough away from the ship that when it did “blowout” it wouldn’t come up around the ship.

From what I remember the ship would drag the cutter point along the bottom about a mile or more in back of the ship.

What I refer to as normal hydrate, it releases gas as it thaws.


31 posted on 12/24/2013 8:12:46 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Methane hydrate also releases gas when it thaws.

Both BP on the Alaskan North Slope and Japan working below the seabed have done pilot projects of gas production this way.

A Hydrate is just substance formed by combination of a compound with water. I was trying to understand how you were using the term.


32 posted on 12/24/2013 8:25:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: djf

Ummm... it’s in the water. So how does drilling cause “ground surface collapse”?

What a dip-wad! (the author)

Sometimes peoples leg-bone just ain’t connected to their brain-bone!


The author might have written it better. But the ground, (Ocean Floor), has more of a chance of collapsing with the weight of the water on top as the Hydrates are removed.

Which has its own measure of risk, imagine a Methane Ice breakthrough rising to the surface of the surrounding water. The potential there for methane poisoning of the water is pretty high and the release of the sublimating ‘ice’ into methane gas into the atmosphere is there too.

Once all of these risks and potential hazards are worked around there is a lot of energy available as well as ‘feed-stock’ for various industries that can use it to produce other goods and materials.


33 posted on 12/24/2013 8:52:24 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Texas Fossil

All this potential isn’t lost on the administration.
Ding Ding Ding, Obozo BS Machine

Absolutely not lost on the misadministration that is even now, while suffering in the hellhole that is Hawaii, planning to keep this resource out of Americans hands.


34 posted on 12/24/2013 8:57:58 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: The Working Man
and the release of the sublimating ‘ice’ into methane gas into the atmosphere is there too.

Not to mention the old "fuel bomb" effect.

35 posted on 12/24/2013 10:56:44 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: thackney

It looks like a cube of ice burning.

We’re talking about the same thing, I just didn’t think I needed to use the term “Methane” because that’s what the article was about.

It doesn’t have to thaw to release the gas, just disturbing it, changing the pressure, can cause it to release “part” of the gas.

That’s why they were having problems in both locations.

On bottom when they were dredge mining and it was disturbed and again when pieces were brought up into the ship with what they were mining and it thawed and the ship would fill with gas.


36 posted on 12/24/2013 11:16:39 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
It looks like a cube of ice burning.

Yes, for the lab demonstration and pictures that capture attention, the sample is kept cold enough to keep the water in ice form. The methane is trapped inside like shown below.

In this form, there is a lot more water than methane. The pilot projects attempted to find a economic production methods try to release the methane from the ice while still in place. It is far easier (cheaper) to handle gas in pipes like traditions natural gas production. Also far less material is moved and brought to the surface.

It doesn’t have to thaw to release the gas, just disturbing it, changing the pressure, can cause it to release “part” of the gas.

In warmer conditions, such as the ocean floor, it is true that sufficient depressurization will thaw the ice releasing the gas. Japan did that the second time, after warming the first time. Remember that steam, water, ice are functions of pressure as well as temperature. Both control the physical form of H2O

The only way "disturbing" it can sufficiently release the gas is if the material was already at the temperature/pressure line where it was ready to change state with little more energy.

BP's work in the arctic under the land on the North Slope required warming. It is too cold there for depressurization to work alone.

37 posted on 12/24/2013 11:38:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Interesting.


38 posted on 12/24/2013 12:15:21 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Merry Christmas All)
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To: Flag_This

I recall doing a report in high school(?), maybe Junior High on mining for hydrates back in the 70’s! Also one on mining for ocean bed manganese nodules. I don’t think anything much has been done with that either.


39 posted on 12/24/2013 12:32:36 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

There is evidence that the effects of the Bermuda Triangle and other similar strange phenomenon are due to releases of methane hydrate. Water with massive bubbles will not float a vessel and an aircraft passing through a dense area of methane gas will cause internal combustion and jet engines to quit.


40 posted on 12/24/2013 1:10:11 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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