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Posted on 12/22/2013 4:26:20 PM PST by nickcarraway
The family fighting to keep a brain-dead 13-year-old girl on medical support through Christmas blasted administrators at Children's Hospital Oakland on Thursday evening, saying that hospital officials told them in a private meeting that the girl had to be taken off her ventilator "quickly."
"They said, 'What don't you understand?' She is dead, dead, dead,'" said Omari Sealey, the uncle of Jahi McMath, the Oakland teen who has been kept alive by machines since complications from a tonsil surgery last week in a case that has brought national attention and prayers from social media users around the world. "They just kept referring to her as 'a body.'"
The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, said he will head to court on Friday morning to seek an injunction to halt any hospital intervention. Hospital officials have not given a timeline to remove the girl from the ventilator, he added
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"They keep saying she is 'dead, dead, dead' and I am hoping the courts will say 'no, no, no,'" Dolan said in a Thursday night news conference. "We just saw her; she is a beautiful young lady. She responds to her mother's touch. She is warm."
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Jahi had tonsil surgery to help her with sleep apnea, weight gain and other health problems and began bleeding from her nose and mouth and experienced cardiac arrest later that night.
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(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...
Yes, let’s allow these uninformed deaths for tonsillectomies to continue unabated.
>> “I was once in a similar situation. Paralyzied due to hospital error, on a ventilator and the hospital wanted my parents to turn it off so they can take my organs.” <<
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Thanks for speaking up!
Medical misadventure remains the leading cause of death in this country, and will remain so until it becomes illegal for any of the attending staff to sign a death certificate.
Wow, again. Thank goodness your mom knew to call for a second opinion.
I find it completely unbelievable that they are still doing tonsillectomies!
It has been known to be without legitimate purpose for half a century. Ruthless murderers.
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Tonsilectoies are done often, I just had one and wish it had been done 50 years earlier. They are a great cure for childhood sleep apnea.
Are you a Physician?
Yea, God did it wrong but man can fix it...
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20 years ago this girl would have been able to live a full life... because there was no such thing as "Sleep Apnea". Sleep Apnea is the briggest and most fraudulent racket going. If you snore or stop breathing in your sleep, just live with it... don't talk to your doctor about it, especially if you are a transportatiin worker subject to hours of service laws. It's a fast track to suspension of your entire career.
You have been warned. I actually advise everyone to just live the best life they can and avoid the "heath care" government-industrial complex completely.
My thoughts, too.
Did she even need the tonsil surgery in the first place? I really wonder.
Without legitimate purpose? Were you being sarcastic? If not I can tell you that there exist very legitimate reasons to remove the tonsils. WHen my daughter was school-aged the pediatricians office was like a second home. She was always getting sick, strep, high fevers. Colds would turn into something worse. She missed a lot of school. She became depressed. They passed her along from the 8th grade in to high school but they should not have. Gave her a passing grade but They penalized her for missing so many days by not allowing her to participate in the actual graduation ceremony. Finally when she turned 18 I too her to see an ENT doctor. He scheduled a tonsillectomy and while talking to the nurse in pre-op about her history of illness and doctor’s never once offering this the nurse stated that during the previous 15 years the medical community was of the mindset that tonsils should stay in but that at that present point that mindset was quickly shifting. She had my grandson’s tonsils removed when he was 4 because we could see he was starting down the same road. It was a piece of cake for him, my daughter on the other hand suffered for days after hers. It is a very hard procedure to deal with as an adult. She had complications with pneumonia and dehydration. If a child is sick often and the throat is what’s harboring the germs (ENT said it was a “faulty” immune system in daughter’s tonsils)then it’s irresponsible for a doctor NOT to recommend this procedure to parents of YOUNG otherwise healthy children.
I really feel for this girl’s family. I’m curious what exactly went wrong.
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Like you, I too was once in a very precarious position after a botched surgery.
I went in for a simple appendectomy and the doctor nicked a vein.
I woke up in recovery with excruciating pain and could hear ice cubes breaking.
I demanded they nurses look me over.
They said they were surprised I was awake but, there was nothing wrong.
After being rebuffed a few times I became frustrated and had a sense if urgency to get help.
I started to get out of bed and seek someone who would listen to me.
Shocked, they quickly rushed to me and as my eyes rolled shut helped me lay back down.
I excitedly told them that there something for g and I could hear ice cubes breaking in my abdomen.
They took my blood pressure and the numbers were reversed and wrong.
I told thekbas much and they responded saying that I was bleeding internally and I would be going back to the operating room.
I heard then remark on my strength and willpower as they hooked a bag if blood up.
I lost over half my blood and would be dead if something hadn’t stirred me.
As I was going into the OR some punk approached me about organ donations....mine, should something go wrong.
I went off and sat up “Get the FK away from me!” I demanded .
He then tried again and started the sales pitch about the positives of that sorry outcome and that he hoped it wouldn’t happen.
I sat on the edge and told him if I got up he was going to be an organ donor but, only the organs I didn’t damage would be worth anything.
I informed him that on my license is a bag”non-donor directive”. “So go to hell ir you can leave now and put that possibility off for another day.
He left....mthrfkr.
No one could belive I was doing this and they didn’t think i had that in me.
I laughed and said “I quietly save my energy and strength for this things that are of utmost importance to me”.
So now, I have a real nice scar. Like someone knifed me.
Yeah, I got a scar right in the middle of my stomach that extends from from ribs to my pelvic.bone.
God must have some sick reason for keeping me here because If I had not woke up in recovery I would be some faceless organ dkno.
Spent the next 4 years in horrible pain. Could no longer play the myriad of sports I played, could not properly exercise my abs and other muscles they support and had to endure a bit of ridicule from several people who thought I was being a puusy.
FOAD
In jy 4th year after going from doctor to doctor and having sonograms and MRI’s I finally stopped hurting so bad.
Guest had finally healed.
I celebrated by jumping out of a helicopter at 15,600 feet onto a inbound ledge and snowboarded back to the ski lodge.
These days I’ll do anything for a laugh and Karma has tried three other attempts on my life.
Beech !
Kant Touch This!
And agreed that the doctors should be compassionate, but if the girl is truly brain dead, this would fall under the category of "futile care".
It is horribly sad, but this girl is NOT going to wake up.
Ever.
Sometimes the most compassionate care is letting go.
I've discussed this in detail with my wife, and she knows that I wish for her to PLEASE let me go if I'm in this situation.
I've been at the bedside for several terminal extubations. You are releasing the patient from this body so that their soul can have rest and peace.
A little compassion would be nice, it sounds like this hospital had the bedside manner of Godzilla.
“She dead. We already cremated her. Hope the doctor was right, huh? Yes, I kid. We made dang sure she was dead before we cremated her, because that would be wrong.”
I am suspecting the hospital is not at fault. Not all operations are successful. You can die in a minor one. Undoubtedly the family wants to sue and keeping the girl alive exerts more pressure on the hospital to settle due to a tainted jury pool. The family is in shock that a simple operation can end in death.
I celebrated by jumping out of a helicopter at 15,600 feet onto a inbound ledge and snowboarded back to the ski lodge.
That’s a nice way to celebrate. Me, I took the boring route and went to Europe to celebrate 40 years of life.
good story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I identified the issue and went gluten/casein free. End of sinus problems...but not before 7 cases of pneumonia were made worse by the endless post nasal drip.
Now, the point of my post...I probably have sleep apnea too. I wake up often during the night with my throat closed up and a big, nasty snort as I draw air in to open it back up. It's not fun. I detest interacting with the medical "business", so I haven't pursued it. My wife scheduled his-and-hers colonoscopies on September 10th this year. Mine went bad on Sept 20th. I spent all night pooping massive amounts of blood and sucking down another 4 liters of "Golytely" before a follow-up colonoscopy to fix the bleeder. I haven't felt well since. Of course, I need to return within a year because I had lots of pre-cancerous polyps and more polyps were observed while fixing the bleeder.
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