Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional

http://www.breitbart.com ^ | December 14, 2013 | Ken Klukowski

[NKP_Vet]

In a game-changer for the legal fight over same-sex marriage that gives credence to opponents’ “slippery slope” arguments, a federal judge has now ruled that the legal reasoning for same-sex marriage means that laws against polygamy are likewise unconstitutional.

In his 91-page opinion in Brown v. Buhman, on Dec. 13, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups struck down Utah’s law making polygamy a crime. In so doing, he may have opened Pandora’s Box.

As a condition for becoming a state in 1896, Congress required Utah to outlaw polygamy, which is marriage between three or more persons. This case involved a family of fundamentalist offshoots of nineteenth-century Mormonism. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints disavowed polygamy in 1890, and again in 1904, but some splinter groups continue the practice.

Waddoups’ opinion would not only cover such groups, however, but also Muslims or anyone else who claims a right—religious or otherwise—to have multiple-person marriages. He notes that the Supreme Court ruled against polygamy in its 1896 case Reynolds v. U.S., but said he cannot simply rest upon that decision “without seriously addressing the much developed constitutional jurisprudence that now protects individuals from the criminal consequences intended by legislatures to apply to certain personal choices.”

[Alter Kaker]

Not a liberal activist. Judge Waddoups received his undergraduate degree from Brigham Young University in 1970 and his juris doctorate from the University of Utah’s law school in 1973. He was nominated by President George W. Bush and confirmed in 2008.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Maybe a Mormon for polygamy... who knew.

This almost sounds like a formality given the treatment of these faux marriages. Other than government record keeping, it’s like nobody even cares who you shack up with today. Which is sad, because yes this creates big problems with families. Until God is important to the people again, this sort of degradation will keep on keeping on.

[little jeremiah]

Placemark

[trebb]

So here is what we have here. This liberal activist judge could care less what the Supreme Court ruled in 1896, when it said Polygamy was illegal. So if this fruitcake can overrule the Supreme Court, it is only a matter of time before it goes back to the Supreme Court where Anthony Kennedy and John Roberts will side with the liberals and Polygamy will once again be not only legal in Utah, but it will also be the law of the land. Then it will be OK for some pervert that likes to sex with a dog to marry his dog. This is how backwards this country has became with the liberals that now control the US Supreme Court. If marriage is not legally defined as one man and one woman and nothing else, it means nothing anymore. Nothing at all. Sodomites have won, because the US Supreme Court is loaded with them. I am saying all this because if the case returns to the Supreme Court they will legalize Polygamy and every other type of degenerate activity you can think of.

The slope has been iced - rationale based on prior bad decisions 9hjomosexual marriage/abortion, etc.) will be come the norm. Though I disagree with the guy's decision, I understand his rationale: If keeping one traditionally nonstandard from marrying and it is unconstitutional, then stopping any non-traditional set of prospective folks/beasts/objects is also unconstitutional.

The real point is that none of this bit about marriage has anything to do with the Constitution - the Constitution was subverted to allow that which should not be forced upon a Free People and to remove absolute rights that the very Constitution says are not to be infringed upon.

[Elsie]

Judge Waddoups received his undergraduate degree from Brigham Young University in 1970 and his juris doctorate from the University of Utah's law school in 1973.

He was most recently a partner in the law firm of Parr, Waddoups, Brown, Gee & Loveless where he was a trial lawyer specializing in commercial litigation, including antitrust, securities, labor/employment, banking, construction, environmental and insurance claims. Clark Waddoups has represented clients in industries such as heavy manufacturing, broadcasting, banking and finance, automotive, oil, and real estate.

Good background!

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

Other than government record keeping, it’s like nobody even cares who you shack up with today.

I think that Someone is taking note.

[Elsie]

Though I disagree with the guy's decision, I understand his rationale: If keeping one traditionally nonstandard from marrying and it is unconstitutional, then stopping any non-traditional set of prospective folks/beasts/objects is also unconstitutional.

Yeah...

I, too, understand the rationale: If killing the unwanted and unneeded human in a CHOOSEY mother's womb is constitutional, then getting rid of unwanted and unneeded Gramma is ALSO constitutional.

[EternalVigilance]

Though I disagree with the guy's decision, I understand his rationale

If your premises are bad, no matter how flawless your "logic," you're still on the highway to hell.

[trebb]

Sigh - you really are full of yourself - time for a full-body/mind diaper change. You made my point by using the exact sick rationale I was talking about. Do you cherry-pick on purpose or are you incapable of doing otherwise? Your example is exactly what follows this guy's decision and steepens the slippery slope I mentioned.

Your hatred of Mormons, and those that won't condemn them with the same zeal as you, is affecting you deeply. Neither one of us likes the rationale, but you interpret an understanding as an agreement and have to attack just because that's what you're good at. I haven't seen/read you trying to carry the Love of God and the sacrifice of Christ with any sort of regularity, but the hate comes out often - funny way of proving your "superiority". Back in the day, you would probably have applied for the "Pull the cord that drops the blade on the necks of the heretics" position.

[trebb]

Though I disagree with the guy's decision, I understand his rationale If your premises are bad, no matter how flawless your "logic," you're still on the highway to hell.

I agree - I didn't say I could support his rationale - I said I could understand it. If A=B, then B=A.

If one demands consistency, then one can appreciate what the judge based his opinion on. Two wrongs don't make a right, but he was consistent with an earlier "settled bit of case law".

I'll let God decide if the folks making these decisions are on the path to Hell - I'd rather pray for their Salvation than their burning in Hell.

[windsorknot]

Another see-we-told-you-so moment.

[ReformationFan]

Then the true church will just go underground. It will never be extinguished.

[EternalVigilance]

I knew you didn’t support his conclusions, or his premises. That was obvious.

And I wasn’t referring to anyone’s eternal destination. That would be far above my pay grade. I was talking about the hell on earth that is inevitably brought about by those who ignore the laws of nature and nature’s God.

I should have been clearer on both points. My apologies.

[Elsie]

My!

What a rant!

Miss today’s service did ya?

Peace on Earth, goodwill toward men.

[Elsie]

I should have been clearer on both points.

Gosh!

I guess should be more clear, too!

[Kickass Conservative]

Childhood Threats, an update.

Then: My Dad can beat up your Dad.

Now: My Dad and Mom’s can beat up your Dad and your other Dad.

[Elsie]

Your hatred of Mormons, and those that won't condemn them with the same zeal as you, is affecting you deeply.

Yeah; it IS upsetting when I post EXAMPLES of MORMON hate; isn't it...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Anton.Rutter]

Posting lds documents is hate?

[cotton]

I am not sure how they have documented their things but she wants all her stuff to go to her kids not to his nieces and nephew. She works at local court house so hopefully got their ducks in a row. She will keep her last name, but they call themselves married. Thanks for your comments. Very helpful to me.