Newt Gingrich: What Would You Have Done? Nelson Mandela and American Conservatives

Gingrich Productions ^ | December 6, 2013 | Newt Gingrich

[EveningStar]

Yesterday I issued a heartfelt and personal statement about the passing of President Nelson Mandela. I said that his family and his country would be in my prayers and Callista’s prayers.

I was surprised by the hostility and vehemence of some of the people who reacted to me saying a kind word about a unique historic figure.

So let me say to those conservatives who don’t want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?

Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.

What would you have done faced with that crushing government?

What would you do here in America if you had that kind of oppression?

[Ironfocus]

I think Biko was one of many that were trying to give rise to the black consciousness. I can’t say whether he would have had more influence than others, but he did become a rallying cause after his death. It may be cruel to say so, but he probably achieved more as a martyr.

His death was an injustice though, and one of those cases I personally think the police should have been prosecuted if they did torture him like the subsequent reports say. The official report stated that he was injured trying to jump from the window at the police station.

[tumblindice]

Newt: a small animal that lives mostly in water and that has four short legs, a long, low body and tail, and soft, wet skin

[Revolting cat!]

South Africa had a justice system based on Western jurisprudence. Did Iran, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia have it then or now? Or the rest of Africa? The point is why the focus of the time was on South Africa and not elsewhere. It’s a rhetorical question when you consider how leftist the media has been since the 1930s. Do you say that Senegal has an unjust system? You don’t, and neither do I because we know nothing about it, because MSM is not drilling anything into our heads the way they drilled about South Africa, Rhodesia, and oh, Chile, but curiously, nothing about lawless dictatorship of Romania (until the fall.)

[ealgeone]

Even more incentive to not like him.

[RobbyS]

We have to judge Mandela from what happened during his watch. What is happening now is still better than what was feared would happen when he came to power. He kept his end of the bargain. His immediate successor, less so. The guy in office now, nope.

[RobbyS]

The segregationist regime in the South had all these things, too. The fact is that they treated the blacks unjustly. That I saw with my own eyes.

[Joe 6-pack]

"It may be cruel to say so, but he probably achieved more as a martyr.'

Actually, that was part of my thinking behind the question. The security apparatus had a pretty tight muzzle on him, so while he had some influence, I suspected his death gave him a louder voice than he might have otherwise had; certainly, I doubt few would have ever heard of him outside of Africa had he not been killed.

I've read his strain of the Black Consciousness movement was a little more dedicated to Christian principles and non-violence. Would you characterize that as accurate?

"The official report stated that he was injured trying to jump from the window at the police station."

IIRC, the initial report was that he died as the result of a hunger strike and the story was changed a few times until photos and Donald Woods's articles started making it into the public domain.

[Cyber Liberty]

Wow, that’s pretty defensive and thin-skinned of you, Newtie. Makes me glad you didn’t get a chance to be President.

[Ironfocus]

I never saw that he advocated violence, but I am only superficially familiar with his case. African Christianity must be understood from an African cultural perspective too, not that it is necessarily bad, but it is not the Southern Baptists either.

I saw the hunger strike reports, CYA for sure.

[Nervous Tick]

>> What is happening now is still better than what was feared would happen when he came to power.

Are you serious? That statement is pregnant with delusion of the variety normally attributed to liberals.

>> We have to judge Mandela from what happened during his watch.

Huh? What you see NOW started on Mandela’s watch. Whites tortured and murdered in droves, while St. Mandela looked the other way. Plus Mandela himself was proven to be as corrupt as ANY African plutarch.

What do you smoke? Put it down for a minute, get some fresh air, and revisit your inane comments.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Hey Newt, I would have said that he was now a good commie. You asked me.

[stormhill]

Well, thanks a lot.
I only thought I was sick before watching this.

[Joe 6-pack]

I appreciate the input. While I never lived there, I was during the release of Mandela and the closing days of Apartheid, a cadet and then a junior officer in the US Army, and tried to stay abreast of global events.

While I'm not certain our views fully coincide, I do appreciate your first-hand experiences and respect your opinions and input on the matter.

[Ironfocus]

Thank you. I am sure we agree about a lot here in the USA, which is my home now.

[zeestephen]

RE: “Mandela chose the right path, and did not initiate genocide.”

You put the cart before the horse.

If South African whites had believed they were at risk of genocide, they would never have passively relinquished their political and military power.

They would have fight for their lives and would have inflicted a massive death toll on African Blacks.

Instead, a majority of whites acknowledged that apartheid was morally wrong, and a majority of whites peacefully turned over the government to Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress.

[Dqban22]

‘NELSON MANDELA WAS A RADICAL MARXIST’

Renowned Christian minister: ‘He tried to destroy us, set his dogs on us’

12/7/2013

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-was-a-radical-marxist/?cat_orig=world

Nelson Mandela was a radical Marxist and a firm advocate of abortion, pornography, homosexuality and legalizing prostitution, according to a prominent Christian missionary who was summoned to the home of the South African president.

Rev. Peter Hammond, founder of Frontline Fellowship and Africa Christian Nation, has worked for nearly 30 years helping persecuted Christians in Africa. As a result of Hammond’s visit with Mandela – in which the missionary laid hands on the president and prayed for him to see abortion for what it really is, the merciless slaughter of innocent human life – Hammond was subjected to a 13-year audit of his organization.

Don’t mourn for Mandela: Joseph Farah says man ‘wasn’t the saintly character portrayed by Morgan Freeman’
In 2010, Frontline released a set of two videos titled, “My Meeting with Nelson Mandela,” in which Hammond reveals the true character of the anti-apartheid revolutionary and recalls his visit with him at his home.

“I’m astounded that so many in the West idolize Mandela and lift him up as a messianic figure because they obviously don’t know what he teaches, what he believes or what he does – or his support for some of the most radical Marxist dictatorships on the planet with some of the worst human-rights records, such as the governments of Red China and Cuba,” Hammond declared. “He has supported these dictators wholeheartedly and received them with the greatest honors.”
Hammond said there are many Christians who idolize Mandela because they’ve been given false information about who the man really was.

[CatherineofAragon]

" but I have been seeing you comment almost every Mandela thread trying to demonize white South Africa, just like Newt is doing."

Thank you for noting that.

[Yardstick]

I’m mixed on this one. Guys like Augusto Pinochet and the Shah of Iran used some unsavory methods but I’m willing to cut them some slack. Maybe it’s a similar deal with Mandela. Sometimes in this imperfect world you’ve got to break some eggs. Maybe you align yourself with communists and use violence when you’re up against an explicitly racist government that can’t be changed by other means. On the other hand, I could easily imagine the now “liberated” SA going on to a future where the lives of both its majority and minority populations are more blighted than they would have been if Mandela had never existed.

[Patton@Bastogne]

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Let's take a look at your "hit list" against Newt Gingrich ...


You sir, may scroll down to number five, to learn how ignorant you are about politics and Newt Gingrich, in general ...



1) Co-Sponsored 418 bills in the U.S. House with Nancy Pelosi ...


Newt Gingrich was elected to the U.S. House in 1978, served until 1995 ... served 17 years.

Nancy Pelosi was first elected in 1987 ...

So Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi served concurrently for eight (8) years ...

That means that they co-sponsored and average of 52.25 bills for every year that they served together in Congress.

Do you have that "entire" list of legislative bills ?

Bubba ... If you knew "anything" about Congressional or even state-level legislation ...

There are scores of funding operations that cross the gamut from Toilet Paper at the National Parks to the purchase of F-22 Raptors and Balanced Budget Amendments ...



Newt Gingrich (while in the U.S. House) "forced" ... again ... "compelled and forced" LIBERAL Bill Clinton to:

1) ENACT "historic" Federal Welfare Reform

2) ENACT four (4) CONSECUTIVE Balanced Federal Budgets

3) ENACT "historic" tax-cuts ...


And those are just a few ...



Now ... Bubba Henry ... do you possibly SUPPOSE ... while sitting in your rocking chair ... wearing your own comfortable Little Ricky Santorum Abercrombie-Finch "Soccer-Mommy Sweater" ...

that Newt Gingrich's "historic" (very long) list of Conservative Legislative victories ...

required just a teeny-weenie bit of ... gasp ... NEGOTIATION with ... gasp ... Democrats ???

Well, Bubba ... it did take negotiations ... And like being married ... you learn to pick-your-battles ... and FOCUS on the KEY OBJECTIVES ...

Hence, I'm not surprised that Newt Gingrich artfully co-sponsored 418 bills with "Major Democratic Leader" Nancy Pelosi ...

to get Historic Congressional legislation PASSED ...

and THEN signed into LAW by President Bill Clinton.



How many "historic" pieces of Congressional Legislation has Little Ricky Santorum SPONSORED, and had ENACTED into LAW by a sitting U.S. President ?

Precious few. Actually "none" (Zero) as I know of ...

Actually ... isn't that the SAME as Barack Obama's list of "historic" legislative accomplishments as a U.S. Senator ?

Gee Wiz ... I NEVER looked at it that way ...




2) Newt Gingrich has referred to himself as a "Political Insider" ...


I guess if Newt's referring to the number of times that he's:


A) Sat "inside" at a table with President Ronald Reagan, developing SUCCESSFUL Conservative legislative strategy ... YES

B) Sat "inside" at a table with President Bill Clinton, enacting SUCCESSFUL "historic" Conservative legislation ... YES

C) Sat "inside" at a table with leading Democratic Party Opposition (Nancy Pelosi, et al), negotiating for SUCCESSFUL "historic" Conservative legislation ... YES

D) Sat "inside" at a table at for CIA-NSA-Pentagon "National Security Briefings" because House Speaker Newt Gingich was THIRD in line to succeed the President ... YES

E) Sat "inside" at a table for TWENTY (20) YEARS at the Joint Flag Officer Warfighting Course giving (invited) Guest Lectures to the U.S. Army's best officers, where he is the longest-serving teacher of the Joint Flag Officer Warfighting Course... YES

F) Sat "inside" at a table with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ADVISING THEM TO STOP THE HOUSING MORTAGE DEBACLE ... YES

G) Sat "inside" at a table with U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, where Newt Gingrich informally advised him on strategic issues, on issues including the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and encouraging the Pentagon to not "yield" foreign policy influence to the State Department and National Security ... YES

H) Sat "inside" at a table with Three-Hundred-Plus "Conservative" U.S. House Candidates ... every two years ... for almost a DECADE ... trying to get CONSERVATIVES elected to the Congress ... YES



Again ... Bubba Henry ... I really wish that the Boy Wonder had as much "successful" CONSERVATIVE "inside time" as Newt Gingrich ...

You know, with ALL that extra "political battle-field" experience that Little Ricky "needs desperately", then maybe he won't be saying something STUPID each and every week to the Liberal Media ...


And again ... I bet that Little Ricky Santorum has just about as much historic "inside-time" experience with REAL political GIANTS like Reagan, Clinton, Reed, Pelosi ... as "Barack Hussein Obama" ...

Actually ... isn't that the SAME as Barack Obama's list of "historic" legislative accomplishments as a U.S. Senator ?

Gee Wiz ... again ...I NEVER looked at it that way ...




3) Newt Gingrich's 2009 Endorsement of Dede Scozzafava ...


Dede Scozzafava was a mixed-bag when she decided for run for Congress in 2009 ...

To summarize ... Not only did Newt Gingrich (possibly) make an "endorsement mistake" with Dede Scozzafava, but SO DID Congressman Peter King (conservative leader for Clinton's impeachment), and ALSO the National Rifle Association (NRA)

who "also"endorsed Dede Scozzafava.



Should Newt have endorsed Doug Hoffman ? Maybe. Maybe Not.

What if Newt had (confidential) information about Doug Hoffman that both Newt and Conservative Congressman Peter King thought disqualified Doug Hoffman from actually winning ?

Newt's NOT stupid ... and for some reason (that he may not be at liberty to publicly discuss) Newt thought Doug Hoffman a serious liability.

Were Newt Gingrich, Peter King and the NRA "wrong" in endorsing Dede Scozzafava ?

Only long-term history will answer that question ...

However, WHY would Newt Gingrich work for 17 years to get GENUINE CONSERVATIVES elected to Congress, and then foolishly throw Doug Hoffman "under the buss" ?

Frankly, at our "level" ... most people will probably never know ...




4) Newt Gingrich's "Shout-Out" about a Manned Lunar Colony ...


Where do I begin, Sunshine ?


First, as a Senior Aerospace Mechanical Engineer, who worked on the U.S. Space Shuttle program for five (5) years ...

I "absolutely" know that Newt's Manned Lunar Colony is TECHNICALLY feasible ...

America needs a New Vision ... distinctly different from the Luddite Moslem-Butt-Kissers (Obama, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum) ...

You know ... (are you old enough ?) ... about JFK's "American Man on the Moon by the End of This Decade" speech ?

Free Republic ... and your cellphone ... exist "in part" today as a DIRECT RESULT of America's technological VISION way back in 1961 ...

How about we try it again ... and SEE WHAT WONDERS arise then ...




5) Newt Gingrich and his being "Scientificly Scammed" about Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming ...


Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming is a crock ...

Designed by Socialists and Wanna-Be "Nobel Prize" winners who desire face-time on the cover Newsweek Magazine ...

The Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989 (H.R. 1078) had 144 co-sponsors, with 25 Republican co-sponsors including Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The bill never even made it out of Committee.


In an e-mail statement to CNSNews.com, Gingrich’s deputy press secretary, Michelle Selesky, said the former Speaker opposes an international agreement on population growth because “this would be a dangerous violation of sovereignty, and Speaker Gingrich would steadfastly oppose any international efforts to dictate or control population growth in sovereign states.”

Furthermore, “Newt supported a very limited aspect of the 1989 bill that promoted hydrogen energy research,” said Selesky. “This is consistent with his long support of aggressively developing American sources of energy, including American oil, natural gas, coal, and alternatives.”


Yaelle ... way back in 1989 ... Man-Made Global Warming had just appeared on the Political Scene ...

And it was endorsed and PROMOTED by Scientists that people "actually" trusted "back then".

"Anthropogenic Global Warming" ... WOW ... what a fancy name ...

Who SUSPECTED that the British "University of East Anglia" scientists were FAKING the CLIMATE DATA and resulting ANALYSIS ?

Honestly, from a historical perspective ... this MASSIVE SCIENTIFIC FRAUD was unprecedented ...

It's only been in the last few years that a TRUTHFUL MINORITY of Scientists have told the TRUTH about this nonsense ...

So, Yaelle ... "what's my Point ?" especially as it pertains to Newt Gingrich ?



How could Newt Gingrich (way back in 1989) known that this was a SCIENTIFIC FARCE ?

Did "you" (Yaelle) have access to the "truth" about Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming in 1989 ?

And even if you did, would ANYONE in the Media actually listened to you ?

Nope. Dittos for me too.



So how can ANYONE properly blame Newt Gingrich being SCAMMED by Scientists in 1989 (with false data) ... when we all were too ?




6) Jobs Programs for School Kids ...


Yaelle ... What's wrong with Grade-School Kids earning $ 25 each week (NOT selling drugs) to help teach them the great "American Work Ethic" ?


Tell us, are you just a "stealth" Mitt Romney Bott ... or just a Liberal Welfare Pimp ?







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[Vendome]

Something to think about....