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Shades of Vietnam: Spike in U.S. troop deaths tied to stricter rules of engagement
The Washington Times ^ | December 5, 2013 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/06/2013 8:01:56 AM PST by huldah1776

The number of U.S. battlefield fatalities exceeded the rate at which troop strength surged in 2009 and 2010, prompting national security analysts to assert that coinciding stricter rules of engagement led to more deaths.

A connection between the sharp increase in American deaths and restrictive rules of engagement is difficult to confirm. More deaths surely stemmed from ramped-up counterterrorism raids and the Taliban’s response with more homemade bombs, the No. 1 killer of NATO forces in Afghanistan.

But it is clear that the rules of engagement, which restrain troops from firing in order to spare civilian casualties, cut back on airstrikes and artillery strikes — the types of support that protect troops during raids and ambushes.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; enemy; military; obama; obamasfault; roe; vietnam
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The ROE are not in place to win the war against jihad. Plain and simple.
1 posted on 12/06/2013 8:01:56 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776
'Lectric'ly they keep a baseball score ....

... and the beat goes on ...

2 posted on 12/06/2013 8:03:36 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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The ROE are never in place to win any war.


3 posted on 12/06/2013 8:04:12 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: huldah1776

Cowardly politicians and officers killing American heroes. Hate them.


4 posted on 12/06/2013 8:06:35 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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Spike in U.S. troop deaths tied to stricter rules of engagement

It's called "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."

5 posted on 12/06/2013 8:09:19 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: huldah1776; vpintheak; zot; 2ndDivisionVet; NYer; Mouton; knarf

And by increasing the ROE, we end up increasing the number of our folks who will be killed and wounded because of it. Thus, instead of decreasing US casualties, it will guarantee an increase in casualties. Look what has been happening the last 4 years in Afghanistan, everytime the ROE are ‘strengthened’ in hopes of decreasing causalties, US casualties go UP>


6 posted on 12/06/2013 8:09:36 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: huldah1776

Don’t shoot until shot at. And by then, it’s ususally too late.


7 posted on 12/06/2013 8:10:00 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: huldah1776
Jake Tapper's book The Outpost gives a good account of what our guys had to put up with in Afghanistan back during W's administration.

What they must be enduring under the Kenyan Klown's ROE is almost unimaginable.

8 posted on 12/06/2013 8:10:19 AM PST by skeeter
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DUH!!

9 posted on 12/06/2013 8:10:49 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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They might as well resurrect MacNamara’s old ROE. They managed to kill a lot of our troops needlessly too. Maybe they could get Fonda to go to Afghanistan and sit on a gun.


10 posted on 12/06/2013 8:15:56 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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I imagine that thoughts today are going through the minds of our remaining troops in Afghanistan and their families back home of “No one wants to be the last soldier to die in Afghanistan when Obama withdraws all of the troops.” And will he and the thousands of dead troops who served before him be forgotten by most people here in the U.S?

Linden mother of last U.S. soldier killed in Vietnam meets granddaughter for first time

A meeting 40 years in the making

Tia McConnell stands with her grandmother, Mae Rucker, at the Veterans’ Memorial on the courthouse square.

Posted: Sunday, August 5, 2012 4:00 am | Updated: 7:02 am, Sun Aug 5, 2012.

By Angela Guillory aguillory@news-journal.com

LINDEN — Almost 40 years after the death of her son — the last American soldier killed in Vietnam — an East Texas woman finally met her granddaughter this past week.

Tia McConnell, the Asian-born daughter of John O’Neal Rucker, tracked down her father’s family through DNA testing, driving across the country with her husband and children to meet them.

She said it was an emotional experience visiting Rucker’s gravesite and placing a flag at the courthouse where a monument recognizes him as the last U.S. soldier killed in Vietnam.

Born March 17, 1951, in Kilgore, Rucker was raised in Linden. He was assigned to the 366 Combat Support Group, 366th Tactical Fighter Wing, at Da Nang Air Base, Republic of Vietnam.

On Jan. 27, 1973, at the age of 22, Rucker was killed in a rocket attack just hours before the signing of the Paris Peace Accords that ended the Vietnam War.

His daughter was born an orphan in Da Nang. She was evacuated before the fall of Saigon and adopted and raised by Jack and Karen Whittier of Colorado.

But McConnell said she has always yearned to know her father and his family.

http://www.news-journal.com/news/local/linden-mother-of-last-u-s-soldier-killed-in-vietnam/article_e8df847e-4e21-5e20-a763-79b38e2cef12.html


11 posted on 12/06/2013 8:17:27 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Don Corleone

From the mind of the guy who spent three months in ‘Nam and came home with three purple hearts...


12 posted on 12/06/2013 8:18:08 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: huldah1776

Sickening if even ONE American dies because a bunch of attorneys set the rules of combat. Just sickening.


13 posted on 12/06/2013 8:19:29 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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ROE should be:

See enemy, kill enemy.

Next question please.


14 posted on 12/06/2013 8:21:45 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: huldah1776

Empowering the enemy, destroying the US military, demoralizing the troops,while all the while not winning the hearts and minds of the foreign peoples and causing them to hate and disrespect us - one American soldiers life at a time.


15 posted on 12/06/2013 8:26:54 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: huldah1776

Anyone joining the military must know that the CIC does NOT have their back! He & Valjar couldn’t care less.


16 posted on 12/06/2013 8:27:46 AM PST by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT! : $70 TRILLION unfunded...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

War casualties as of December 2013

http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf


17 posted on 12/06/2013 8:34:30 AM PST by KeyLargo
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Hello from Afghanistan!!!!!

Why don't we talk about the sanctuary in Pakistan the Taliban and Haqqanis have? Google Chaman and Quetta. Go talk to your neighbor who just came back. Maybe he is uniform, maybe he's a contractor. The story is the same: we should have won this years ago.

If families that lost loved ones over here challenged their elected representatives, maybe we'd get some where.

18 posted on 12/06/2013 8:35:32 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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Germans and Japanese citizens should be irate over this. We killed them in droves, but I guess since they are white and Asian and not camel concubines they don’t count.


19 posted on 12/06/2013 8:36:38 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: huldah1776

Save


20 posted on 12/06/2013 8:42:43 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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