Posted on 11/30/2013 5:39:46 PM PST by moonshinner_09
A family Ohio were in for a nasty surprised after they returned from a visit out-of-town visit to a dying relative to find someone else had moved into their house. Their outrage has now turned into a court battle, pitting them against a man who says he has the court documents to prove the house is now his. Robert Carr moved into the home that had been occupied for 21 years, changed the locks and emptied the house. Scroll down for video... When the family confronted Carr, he showed them a document he filed with the the County Court. It's called a 'quiet title' and lays claim to the property because Carr says the family abandoned the house and gave up all their rights.
The family members have said they are too afraid to be identified. 'What he's looking for is full title and ownership of the home,' the family's attorney, Alison Warner, said.
Carr expects to pay nothing to keep the home. 'He's in their home. They don't know when he's there. He can be there now,' Warner said. WLWT has uncovered 11 other instances where Carr has filed the same paperwork. Seven of the cases were filed on the same day. 'When you abandon a property and don't want anything to do with it, somebody can come in and take it,'' Carr WLWT. 'I have a team of people who go out and I say make sure the house is empty. If it's empty, change the locks,' Carr said. 'Anybody can do it.' The family from Springfield who don't want to be identified say they feel violated. 'I'm very scared, you know, because I never know if somebody's going to be here,' the homeowner said.
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Wouldn’t a Quiet Title action require personal service of the Complaint before the court would have jurisdiction?
Needs a load o buckshot right in the a$$.
That’s crazy if someone can leave their house of 21 years to see a dying relative and come back to find out that they’ve been kicked out because some stranger says he now owns the house!
IDk.. I’d be testing the laws about shooting an invader at this point.
It’s my house a$$hole. Leave or you will find yourself with a few more holes.
I think I see the technical “loophole” ... if you’re gone from your house and it’s seen to be vacant, these kinds of people can take over your house and file court papers saying that it’s abandoned. The remedy is to always have someone in the house so it is never vacant! ... :-) ...
It’s called breaking and entering claiming squatters rights. I would escort the perp into the street under arms and then shoot him. As long as their are not witnesses, the problem is solved.
If you are in my house when I come back from a funeral, you had better never come out cause I’m going to kill your ass.
So let’s see...if you broke into your own house and this occupier tried to get you to leave and you shot and killed him, would that be home defense? Confusing!
The guy needs to be given an “education”, he’s obviously been studying Pelosi-Reid style law way too much.
Not that I agree with what has been done here - but in regards to what you say - someone who was smart and slick about it (in taking over the house) would always have two or three people around as witnesses, be armed himself ... and ... if any altercation happened, call the police immediately, who would then arrive, look at the legal paperwork, and say, “It’s a civil matter and you’ll have to fight it out in court.”
If the previous homeowner tried to “do anything physical” about it, without going to court - then he would be subject to being arrested.
I don’t agree with this guys action one bit, but I will say his group is classified by the southern poverty law center as extremists, which to me means anything the southern poverty law center says, I take the opposite.
I've done this before.
Watching the cars slowly driving by,
looking at you, is priceless
This is absolutely nuts — if they have been getting mail there and utilities are in their name and their possessions have been there and they have been paying property taxes then this guy is nothing but an interloping burglar.
Anyone in my house uninvited, gets dead. If I’m home and I don’t want him there, dead. If I walk in on someone in my house that I dont want there, dead. My house. I can prove it.
This is bullshit. The actual owner has the deed in his name.
I’d kick this guys ass down the road a few miles. Or call the cops as someone breaking and entering.
File a criminal complaint of breaking and entry, trespassing, theft, etc. Break down the door, move in and force him to get you out.
I’m surprised that someone hasn’t popped a cap on this ahole.
I know, in a situation like this, if someone shows court paperwork to the effect that he has a right to the house - then the cops are going to defer to the courts and tell all parties to “work it out in court”.
I’ve been in enough situations, which are not exactly like this, but in which there is “legal paperwork” which shows different than someone else is claiming. The cops are not going to act on that. The courts will have to act on that.
Exactly. I’m not going through some court procedure to figure out who owns my house. I will go through a court procedure on why I shot the dude.
Who writes this stuff?
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