Posted on 11/29/2013 11:30:42 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
Poland believes German-made submarines are not up to the job of defending Polish shores, but sources have told The Local that on the back of a landmark naval deal between the two countries, Poland is likely to lease two subs anyway.
On May 27th German Defence Minister Thomas de Maizière and his Polish counterpart Tomasz Siemoniak signed a “Letter of Intention” to increase co-operation between the two countries’ navies in 28 areas including through a “submarine operating authority”.
The agreement pledged to “provide a sound foundation for the further enhancement of the German-Polish naval cooperation in the future,” in several fields including military procurement.
Poland is looking to acquire three new submarines by 2030 and reports on Polish news portal Defence 24 in September said “particularly intense talks” were underway between the German makers of the U-212A submarines, TKMS, and the Polish Ministry of Defence to lease two of their submarines.
This prompted a question in parliament by Polish MP Jacek Sasin to the under secretary of state Waldemar Skrzypczak about how far along a deal to buy the submarines was and why a contract worth hundreds of millions of euros had not been put out to tender.
Surprisingly, Skrzypczak admitted Germany’s top submarine did not meet all of the “mandatory requirements of tactical and technical equipment developed by the military, including in particular the propulsion system, missile weapons and rescue system.”
He added that the Minister of Defence, at the request of the head of the general staff, had agreed to appoint a specialist to look at the “operational requirements” of the submarine.
But instead of looking elsewhere or getting the Germans to improve their submarines, the Polish navy is expected to water down its demands so a deal with the Germans can still go ahead, an industry source told The Local.
“The Polish MoD has authorized the navy to change their specifications so that the U-212A could fit the new specifications,” they said. "For the cash-strapped Polish Ministry of Defence this offer [of leasing the submarines] is a “gift” which will avoid a costly tender and certainly an endless diplomatic row [with the Germans]."
Media reports in Poland criticized the MoD for seeming to favour the German U-212As rather than putting a bid for the submarines out to tender.
But on November 15th the Ministry of Defence released a statement denying it had done anything wrong. It did, however, refuse to rule out a deal with the Germans.
“Contrary to media suggestions the Ministry of Defence does not take and do not take into account any particular type of ship,” it said.
“We want submarines which in the future will become the guardian of Polish security and guard the sea routes to raise the strategic defense potential of our country,” it said.
But the ministry warned it would have to choose the best submarines for its limited budget.
A decision is expected next year.
TKMS who make the U-212A had not responded to a request for comment at the time of publication.
Last Friday Germany agreed an arms deal with Poland to deliver 119 Leopard tanks, among other equipment.
I’m going to guess that ANY sub operating in the Baltic Sea will have a very short life if a real war breaks out.
Only if it opens fire. Then, yes. Otherwise, an AIP sub running silent may be able to hide for quite a while.
But once it launches *anything* - well...
It seems Polish subs weren't up to the job either.
Wonder how the bankers plan on repo’ing a leased submarine? What’s the credit rating on submarine leases?
the baltic is not sub friendly but no one makes a better non nuclear sub
“But once it launches *anything* - well...”
That may no problem with silent running battery powered torpedo like DM2A4 used on German Type 212, Indian Agosta and Spanish S-80 submarines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DM2A4
Any talks about “Germany’s top submarine did not meet all of the mandatory requirements of tactical and technical equipment developed by the military, including in particular the propulsion system, missile weapons and rescue system” makes me wonder, too. Poland operates today one Kilo-class and 4 Kobben-class submarines with a displacement of 500t. What monster type of a submarine does Poland want?
I guess the gifts for Mr. Skrzypczak and others were insufficient.
They can just give back Breslau and Stettin, and call it even.
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