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Fascism on the march
1 posted on 11/21/2013 9:52:06 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

One thing I admire about democrats is when in the majority or the minority they know how to use the power they have. Reid never tells his base what they can’t do & wait til they have a majority.


211 posted on 11/21/2013 1:15:21 PM PST by RginTN
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To: SoFloFreeper
Okay, they turned this on...then they are going to have to be, by gosh, the people who some day turn it off. They may get a year of using this to ramrod their wishes through...but I pray God in Heaven that the GOP then has ten years of it to return the favor, to the point they are so sick of it, that at their first opportunity they turn the clock back.

What they have done is not un-constitutional, it is howerver trampling on an order and way of doing things that has been accepted by both sides for a long long time.

I just remember when the shoe was on the other foot and the Dems were holding up George W. Bush's nominees left and right and purely on ideological and political grounds, and when the GOP controlled Senate considered this same "nuclear" option, how they moaned, whined, complained and and cried out. Including to the person almost every one of these two-faced, coniving, lieing scoundrels who today are saying that this is somehow okay now that they are doing it.

Well, let it come back to haunt them for years.

America at the Crossroads of History

213 posted on 11/21/2013 1:15:47 PM PST by Jeff Head
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And when we have a GOP president and Senate, I don’t want to hear any whining from useless, moronic Dems when we pack the courts with conservatives.

What’s good for the commie lovers...


221 posted on 11/21/2013 1:32:59 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Its about time someone used the nuclear option in the Senate, the HOuse had filibusters also but they got rid of them a long time ago.

Watch....when the GOP gets the Senate they will give up this edge for some jive promises from the dems.


222 posted on 11/21/2013 1:38:04 PM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: SoFloFreeper

F’em. We win the Senate in 2014, and we will not change the rules back.


229 posted on 11/21/2013 1:43:54 PM PST by magellan
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To: SoFloFreeper

Come the next GOP majority in the Senate I hope the GOP makes these rat bastards choke on this decision.


231 posted on 11/21/2013 2:00:34 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Where is the statement by the NRA that they will spend the next year attacking Begich,etc?

Even Washington Joe didnt vote for this.


235 posted on 11/21/2013 2:07:16 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SoFloFreeper

Reid must know something. How else could he do this knowing that the Senate eventually will go back to the GOP?


236 posted on 11/21/2013 2:09:43 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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...bitterly divided...

Bitterly divided? Are you friggin' kidding me? This is the end of the Republic!!!

239 posted on 11/21/2013 2:18:54 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: SoFloFreeper
and America takes another one in the........

245 posted on 11/21/2013 2:55:16 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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Maybe the repubs need to come out and say this is being done so the dems can can keep forcing Obamacare on the public.

They (dems) don't care , about all the harm that is being inflicted on the public by Obamacare-people losing their insurance (even cancer patients), impossibly high deductibles, people being reduced to part time hours exc...

They (dems) are not the least bit bothered by the pain, stress, and worry, being caused by O care- they want it to be forced on people period. (Not to mention they never read the freakin bill in the first place. Oh, and let's not forget they exempted themselves from it.)

The nuclear option is just another example of the democrat party ruling (not governing), by force.

This needs to be said loudly and often to the people, and tie it to the fact that the dems are trying to shove people into Ocare.

249 posted on 11/21/2013 3:29:13 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; KC_Lion; All
The following is Harry Reid's own words about the 'Nuclear Option' and it's from the Democrats very own site! It'll be pulled very, very soon so go see it while you can!

http://democrats.senate.gov/2005/04/26/floor-statement-of-senator-reid-on-nuclear-option/

Floor Statement of Senator Reid on Nuclear Option

For the past several months, the Senate has operated under a nuclear cloud. As a result of the Senate’s decision to reject a small number of President Bush’s judicial nominees, the Republican majority has threatened to break the Senate rules, violate over 200 years of Senate tradition and impair the ability of Democrats and Republicans to work together on issues of real concern to the American people.

It is astounding that Republicans would precipitate this destructive confrontation, especially since this President has a better confirmation rate than any of his recent predecessors. The Senate has confirmed 205 of President Bush’s judicial candidates and turned back only ten, a 95% confirmation rate. Ten rejected judges – only seven of whom are currently before the Senate – does not seem reason enough for Republicans to break the Senate rules.

My Republican colleagues claim that nominees are entitled to an up-down vote. That claim ignores history, including recent history. Throughout the years, many judicial nominees have been denied up-down votes. For example, according to the Senate Historian, Republicans filibustered Lyndon Johnson’s nomination of Abe Fortas to be Chief Justice.

During the Clinton Administration, almost 70 judicial nominees were bottled up in the Judiciary Committee and never received floor votes. In addition, Republicans engaged in explicit filibusters on the floor against a number of Clinton judges, and defeated a number of President Clinton’s executive branch nominees by filibuster. Some of the loudest proponents of the nuclear option opposed cloture on those nominees.

America is paying attention to this hypocrisy. Our citizens are alarmed at what the Republican majority is planning to do. According to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released yesterday, Americans oppose by 2 to 1 changing the rules to make it easier for the President to stack the courts with radical judges.

The American people have rejected the nuclear option because they see it for what it is — an unconstitutional abuse of power.

Regardless of political affiliation, Americans understand that this is a partisan power grab. Nearly half of the Republicans polled opposed any rules changes, joining eight in 10 Democrats and seven in 10 independents.

Over the last several months, I have spent a lot of time reaching across the aisle and talking with my colleagues about how to avoid this nuclear catastrophe. My door has always been open to responsible Republicans who do not want the Senate to head down this unproductive path.

I wrote to the Majority Leader on March 15 and expressed a willingness to find a way out. The Majority Leader replied two days later that he would offer a compromise for resolving this issue. One month later Democrats still await that proposal.

Now it appears that Republican leaders are not interested in compromise. The Majority Leader stated earlier today that he will not accept any compromise that does not provide for the confirmation of all of President Bush’s controversial nominations – including those that were previously rejected by the Senate.

Karl Rove, currently the Deputy White House Chief of Staff, has stated that the President will settle for nothing less than a 100 percent confirmation rate.

These are not positions that allow for compromise.

These are not positions that allow the Senate to proceed with the work of the American people.

There are positions that force a confrontation. These are positions that divert attention from the problems real Americans face – high gas prices, poor schools, inadequate health care coverage.

These positions demonstrate that Republican leaders are fiddling while Rome is burning.

Republican leaders don’t want compromise. Republican leaders don’t want Democrats to have a voice in this debate. Republican leaders don’t want any check on their quest for absolute power. They want total victory.

95% of President Bush’s nominees have been confirmed, but that isn’t good enough. The Majority Leader wants to break the rules and turn the Senate into a rubber stamp for the President. Ultimately this is about removing the last check in Washington against complete abuse of power — the right to extended debate.

Once that last check is gone, the radical right will be able to place one of their own on the Supreme Court. This is all about the Supreme Court. The radical right is angry with the decisions of Justices Anthony Kennedy and Sandra Day O’Connor, both of whom were appointed by Ronald Reagan. The radical right wants a different kind of Supreme Court – one that would roll back equality, liberty and the rights of all Americans.

Many of us understand who elected us to this body – the people sent us here, not Karl Rove, not James Dobson and not radical elements of our society.

There is a way to avoid the nuclear shutdown. I have outlined a proposal to my Republican colleagues in an effort to protect our independent judiciary and to preserve the Founding Fathers’ vision of the Senate.

I will keep the details of my conversations with other Senators private, but I want to talk about why compromise is necessary.

Democrats stand united against the unconstitutional nuclear option. We have a responsibility to protect checks and balances, not violate them. My offer protects those checks and balances.

My offer also renews procedures to allow home state Senators to have a meaningful say in who sits on the federal courts in their states. Those procedures encourage consultation and leads to the nomination of consensus judges, judges who can be confirmed unanimously in most cases.

Democrats have confirmed 95% of the President’s judicial nominees. The ten that were denied confirmation previously lack a commitment to the fundamental rights and liberties we hold so dear. But, to ensure that the Senate remains a check on the President’s power, especially for the Supreme Court, we are willing to compromise on this subject.

I believe my proposal strikes the right balance – it protects our democracy and the independence of our federal courts, it protects the American people and lets us do their business, and it breaks a partisan stalemate that is unnecessary and divisive.

I want to emphasize that any potential compromise is contingent on a commitment that the nuclear option will not be exercised in any form during this Congress. The threat to break the Senate rules must end.

End of Senator Reid's comments.

256 posted on 11/21/2013 3:40:20 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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It's official. We're a one party fascist police state now.

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257 posted on 11/21/2013 3:51:05 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repeal ObamaScam NOW!!!)
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Reach across that aisle, McCain! Keep reaching! If you reach far enough you can participate in a circle jerk.


260 posted on 11/21/2013 4:13:38 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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Here comes unbridled tyranny from the left. The left is going to stack the bureaucracies and the courts!! The federal courts will rubber stamp everything the tyrannical bureaucracies choose to do. Americans are no longer free people.


263 posted on 11/21/2013 4:49:50 PM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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Republicans should now, as a party, filibuster every bill, every vote. They should bring the senate to a standstill and force a retreat.


265 posted on 11/21/2013 5:16:46 PM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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Is it me, or shouldn’t this be the most prominent news item in a while?


267 posted on 11/21/2013 5:43:38 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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My powder is dry and my lead is hard....

Bring it you brown shirt Obama voters. This country boy got something for you.....


269 posted on 11/21/2013 6:41:24 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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1. The filibuster is not in the Constitution.

2. The first US Senate ever did NOT have a filibuster rule — in fact, they had the opposite, a “move the previous motion” rule that required a vote.

3. The possibility of a filibuster didn’t exist until a Senate rule change in 1806 that made the filibuster a possibility. The reason for the rule change was NOT to create the filibuster, but because some considered the “move the motion” requirement to be redundant IN THAT going to a vote was considered logical, natural, obvious.

4. The first abuse of debate with a threatened filibuster didn’t take place until just before 1840.

5. The stories we read that say the filibuster has a 225 year history are simply in error.


282 posted on 11/22/2013 6:14:51 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Remember when they called it the nuclear option?
So do I.


283 posted on 11/22/2013 6:45:16 AM PST by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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