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Why President Obama Didn't Say 'Under God' While Reading the Gettysburg Address
The Wire Dot Com/Yahoo ^ | November 19, 2013 | Abby Ohlheiser

Posted on 11/19/2013 4:23:03 PM PST by Kimberly GG

......."Today, to mark the anniversary, Twitter is arguing about why President Obama didn't say the words "under God" in his videotaped recitation of the speech. God bless America."......

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; gettysburg; gettysburgaddress; husseinobama; obama; pagans; undergod
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To: Kimberly GG
Is the Gettysburg Address subject to interpretation?

There are several versions floating around and I heard someone say that Lincoln 'did not actually use the name of God'. Below is what was printed in the Chicago Tribune the next day:


41 posted on 11/19/2013 5:31:20 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: C210N

See #41 and make up your mind.


42 posted on 11/19/2013 5:35:04 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Kimberly GG; All
I wish this had been included in the initial excerpt:
However, it's categorically not accurate to say that Obama removed or left out the words from his recitation. That's because there are five different copies of the Gettysburg Address penned by Lincoln himself. Three of them, versions of the speech provided by Lincoln to various fundraisers after he delivered the speech, include the phrase "under God." Those are the Everett Copy, the Bancroft Copy, and the Bliss copy. The two manuscripts believed to be written down in preparation for the speech itself omit it. Obama was reading from one of those two earlier versions, the Nicolay Copy, better known as the "first draft." The project's website now clarifies that Obama read the Nicolay copy at the request of filmmaker Ken Burns, in part because of the speech's historical significance. Its one of two manuscripts of the speech held by the Library of Congress.
This kind of puts the entire thread in the "move on - nothing to see here" category.

I'm all for exposing the shortcomings of Obama and this administration. I just don't want us to veer from the truth while we are doing it.

43 posted on 11/19/2013 5:36:20 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Mike Darancette

Thank you.


44 posted on 11/19/2013 5:38:35 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: WildHighlander57

Hmm. I dunno...still isnt working for me....oh well


45 posted on 11/19/2013 5:41:00 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: tet68
"Copy? I thought lincoln wrote it while traveling to Gettysburg on the back of an envelope."

Geezzz....in the version I remembered, Lincoln wrote it while traveling to Gettysburg by train.

(I learn somethin' new on FR almost everytime I log on!!)


46 posted on 11/19/2013 5:45:46 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mike Darancette
See #41 and make up your mind.

Okay, looking at that and more... the Nicolay and Hays pre-speech copies do not have "under God", Everett/Bancroft/Bliss do mention "under God", and stenographer transcriptions of the actual speech wired close after it was given include "under God".

Conclusion: Early scribblings did not, but then... Lincoln meant and said "under God" in the actual address.

47 posted on 11/19/2013 5:46:10 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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48 posted on 11/19/2013 5:46:47 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DAC21

Bingo.

And the “Bliss” copy - which includes “under God” - is the only copy [of the 5] which Lincoln signed and dated.

It’s also worth noting that the “Bliss” version is what is literally etched in stone on the Lincoln Memorial.

Obama - and Ken Burns - can pound sand.


49 posted on 11/19/2013 6:20:17 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: Kimberly GG

Oh, he read a different version than the one everyone else including Lincoln read. Oh, and Ken Burns asked him to.

And why would that be? Everyone else read the one Lincoln read, except for Obama.

Really, its not that mysterious. We’ve had his number pretty much from the beginning. He’d catch fire if he seriously invoked God’s name over the United States of America.

Remember his “reverend Wright”? Obama isn’t just a muslim or an atheist. He is at war with God.


50 posted on 11/19/2013 6:27:30 PM PST by marron
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To: Kimberly GG

I dont’ believe I’ve ever heard anybody Paraphrase the Gettysburg address. It’s a two minute speech. What’s to paraphrase?


51 posted on 11/19/2013 6:35:13 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Mike Darancette

Wikipedia says that printing is from the New York Times (and that they were a Republican-leaning paper then!). They also mention what the Democrats of the day thought of the speech...

The Democratic-leaning Chicago Times observed, “The cheek of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly, flat and dishwatery utterances of the man who has to be pointed out to intelligent foreigners as the President of the United States.”[60]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_Address


52 posted on 11/19/2013 6:35:55 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: EveningStar

Sorry. Obama’s Office has “weight” to throw around, and he should have informed Ken Burns that the correct copy to be cited would be the “Bliss” copy - the ONLY copy signed and dated by Lincoln. The “Bliss” isn’t in the Library of Congress - it is enshrined in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House.

No speech should be quoted based on a first draft. First drafts are musings - ideas being mulled. All speeches - including the Gettysburg Address - should be quoted AS GIVEN.

Obama CHOSE to quote the Address without Lincoln’s reference to God because it gave him yet another opportunity to subtly denigrate religious thought - in the same manner as when he “quotes” the Declaration of Independence.


53 posted on 11/19/2013 6:36:43 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: EveningStar

Obama probably asked Burns if he could avoid reading the part about God. Then Burns “asked” him to read the first draft.


54 posted on 11/19/2013 6:38:11 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Due to a copyright claim from “Honest Abe...”


55 posted on 11/19/2013 6:39:25 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Kimberly GG

Remember Obama is more likely to be descended from American Slave owners than American Slaves


56 posted on 11/19/2013 6:44:11 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: JediJones
Wikipedia says that printing is from the New York Times

Even better!

57 posted on 11/19/2013 6:46:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Kimberly GG
“fake controversy”

Is the Gettysburg Address subject to interpretation?


From my perspective, the "fake controversy" isn't about the Gettysburg Address being subject to interpretation or not.

It's that Obama conveniently chooses to (or is told to) recite one of the two draft versions that lack "under God" rather than the three post-speech versions that have it.

So the controversy is "fake" in the sense that it is a deliberate provocation designed to generate petty controversy distract from the big news of the day. Like HealthCare.gov essentially being wire-framed vaporware.

Which is also why Obama didn't go to Gettysburg. There's more political advantage to him taking hits from not going than there would be in going and taking hits on the much more serious issues ...
58 posted on 11/19/2013 6:55:41 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Kimberly GG

The words are the words.

If he is reading the speech, he won’t break any of his personal BS by saying the words.

Or will his tongue catch fire?


59 posted on 11/19/2013 7:12:29 PM PST by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Kimberly GG

He doesn’t believe in God.

He may believe in Allah.

This man is a Godless buffoon.


60 posted on 11/19/2013 7:48:11 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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