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Medicaid as a tax on the ‘estates’ of the poor
Washington Times ^ | 11 March 2013 | Jane M. Orient

Posted on 11/18/2013 4:17:28 PM PST by Lorianne

Assets become targets of the states ___ Most people think they’re exempt from the estate tax (often called the “death tax”) because they don’t have $2 million. A lot of people with low incomes do have some assets, however, and if they have used any Medicaid benefits, their heirs may be in for a shock.

Depending on state law, the state may have the right to everything, up to the cost of Medicaid benefits received — house, car, bank accounts, tools, annuities, piano, furniture, everything — and not just 50 percent of it.

This situation is not exactly new. The Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993 requires states to pursue Medicaid asset recovery from persons who receive benefits at age 55 or older. At first, this applied mainly to nursing home benefits, but at state option, it could now include any items or services provided under Medicaid.

There are some limits on what the state can take, as in the case of hardship or to protect surviving spouses, but the law is extremely complex. “The only certainty is controversy,” writes lawyer David L. McGuffey, a member of a Georgia law firm specializing in estate law, in a 77-page document.

“Estate recovery tends to reach individuals of very modest means and has a chilling effect on low-income people seeking benefits to which they are entitled,” he notes. To enroll in Medicaid, people have had to sign a disclosure form explaining this requirement, and some decide to forgo the benefit.

A plaintiff who represented himself described estate recovery as “nothing more than a vast, unlawful conspiracy to deprive the plaintiff, an American who is black, of his property, his dignity and his constitutional rights, simply because they could.” (Drake v. Miller)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: estates; government; medicaid; medicaidestates; medicaidexpansion; obamacare; poor; tax; theft
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The reason this is important is that many people my be 'enrolled' in Medicaid without even knowing it if they fail to purchase on the exchanges but otherwise meet the eligibility requirements of Medicaid.
1 posted on 11/18/2013 4:17:28 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Plank #1 of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto is the abolition of private property.

This is how it's done, children.

2 posted on 11/18/2013 4:22:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Lorianne
..and yes, the Democ'RATS / RINOs
are for "the Little People".
(never mind the ppl..they want their assets :)

3 posted on 11/18/2013 4:25:56 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Lorianne

cross post with:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3092855/posts


4 posted on 11/18/2013 4:29:14 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bump! That is the Plan.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 4:34:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: skinkinthegrass

without inheritance rights there is no property rights.


6 posted on 11/18/2013 4:36:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lorianne

In many cases, however, when low-income people die, their relatives just help themselves to the property. It can disappear very quickly.


7 posted on 11/18/2013 4:39:27 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

Still better than the government getting it


8 posted on 11/18/2013 4:41:41 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: proxy_user

Anybody who lets the government steal their assets at death have not been planning. If you know death is coming it is your duty as an American to give it away to those that you care about. If you have a car, sell it and give the cash away anonymously. If you have an annuity see if it can be cashed out. Give the parasite class nothing.


9 posted on 11/18/2013 4:53:51 PM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: WMarshal
Give the parasite class nothing.

You've got that right. The leeches have stolen enough from the working class already.

10 posted on 11/18/2013 4:56:02 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: GeronL

Exactly I rather have my greedy family members get it than a greedy government.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 5:21:31 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Lorianne

Wow I have a bright future. I learned that starting in January I will be enrolled in Medicaid whether I like it or not. I know I’m not getting any younger, so I need to start organizing and plan ahead.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 5:23:41 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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Someone told me about a neighbor that died, he had a lot of cool stuff, apparently he was not poor and he got really fat.... but his family never came to visit.

Until he died and they swarmed in and took everything.


13 posted on 11/18/2013 5:29:49 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Lorianne

So the government (taxpayer) covers the bills for the persons health care. That person dies with assets, and the government gets reimbursement. I don’t see the problem. Note this doesn’t apply to spouses, only other “heirs” to the estate.


14 posted on 11/18/2013 5:36:29 PM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good. If you are on the publics dime you should pay your debt before your heirs inherit anything.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 5:59:55 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms....."e)
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Exactly. I wouldn’t wish poverty on people just because they’re on Medicaid, but if a Medicaid recipient has any assets worth seizing then they probably shouldn’t have been on Medicaid in the first place.


16 posted on 11/18/2013 6:24:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Kozak
Good. If you are on the publics dime you should pay your debt before your heirs inherit anything.

Except that you don't have any choice about going on Medicaid.

17 posted on 11/18/2013 6:25:13 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are you getting Medicaid and Medicare confused? I thought you had to be eligible for Medicaid, and also you had to APPLY for Medicaid.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 6:28:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
If an Exchange determines you are eligible for Medicaid, you have no other choice.
19 posted on 11/18/2013 6:30:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Oh, I see. So nothing happens unless you sign up for something through one of these silly exchanges, right?

I've made up my mind that I'm old enough not to give a sh!t anyway. I'll go without insurance and live as a renegade before I ever latch onto one of those meddling, intrusive things.

20 posted on 11/18/2013 6:33:10 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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