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New Mexico police shoot at van full of kids during traffic stop
FOX 8 WGHP ^ | November 18, 2013 | WEB STAFF FOX

Posted on 11/18/2013 8:36:40 AM PST by MarMema

Edited on 11/18/2013 9:11:25 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

NEW MEXICO

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
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To: WayneS

There was a second buy who came forward and joined the lawsuit. Exact same experience.


61 posted on 11/18/2013 9:44:50 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: WayneS

Yes, Two. Click on New Mexico topics for the posted stories here on FR.


62 posted on 11/18/2013 9:45:01 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Yep and he may have saved an innocent live as that nut could have run someone down running from police. kudos to the cop!!


63 posted on 11/18/2013 9:45:13 AM PST by Gasshog (0bama: 146 rounds of Golf and counting... FORE!!!!!WARD!!! -___O)
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To: WayneS
Second NM lawsuit filed involving cavity search

Go ALL the way around but never through New Mexico is my thinking...

64 posted on 11/18/2013 9:46:21 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

guy. not buy. sorry.


65 posted on 11/18/2013 9:47:31 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Josa
Apparently she has a record of multiple DWIs. More to this story than meets the eye. Although I agree the cop who fired his gun was way out of line

One wonders if she has multiple DUIs, did she have a valid license? If so, the system that allowed a drunk a license to drive kids around is severely screwed up.

I agree, there is more to this. But it's difficult to see how the shooting cop is going to avoid the meat grinder. He really shouldn't have done that. I don't see the cops doing anything improper until the one does the shooting.

I also wonder what if....they simply followed her after she took off. Like they ended up doing anyway.

It will be a wonder if this whole fustercluck doesn't devolve into another race thing.

66 posted on 11/18/2013 9:49:08 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: MarMema

“most mothers have taken something like that from their own 14 yr old sons”

Really now? wow


67 posted on 11/18/2013 9:49:48 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DManA
It is narrow winding mountain road.

You make it sound like a goat track. The speed limit was 55. That’s a pretty good road.

I live in Taos and have driven the road.

My daughter is a Deputy Medical Investigator.

That stretch of road, drunks kill themselves monthly. Taos News link


68 posted on 11/18/2013 9:52:08 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: DesertRhino

Teenagers are emotional. I had four. Sometimes they threw something at each other, which is more than this kid did.


69 posted on 11/18/2013 9:57:41 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

All ready on the right all ready on the left.. with a magazine of 10 rounds.. Lock and Load.

No chocolates for this Mom next Valentine’s Day.

Looks like a combo overzealous policing and fortunately lousy shooting, better to just let her go and contact her later.

Instead,, bam bam bam, whack whack whackk,, for a 71 in a 55 mph infraction.


70 posted on 11/18/2013 10:07:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Vigilanteman

I understood your sarcasm.

I was in agreement with you...

??????????


71 posted on 11/18/2013 10:21:40 AM PST by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: liberalh8ter

If you have a legitimate fear for your safety you could justify it — that is if you are still alive.

Sometime in the 80’s a young girl, 19 or 20 was pulled over by a CHP officer at night on I-15 just outside of Poway / Penasquitos.

Afterword there was a slate cases of drivers who wouldn’t pull over immediately opting to pull over in Gas Stations or well lit Businesses or similarly safe areas. Many faced charges of some sort that were eventually dropped as the notoriety of the case was at it’s peak.

Full story here:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20099196,00.html


72 posted on 11/18/2013 10:26:36 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: TexasGator

No death penalty for “physical attack”.


73 posted on 11/18/2013 10:35:21 AM PST by DManA (enis)
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To: Usagi_yo
I remember that but it's been broadcasted many times that if you fear the vehicle that's attempting to pull you over you can call 911 and verify it is a police officer. Also, this woman pulled over and as the officer was going to run her info, she yelled, ‘I ain't got time for this’......clearly, she wasn't in fear, she was in a hurry.
74 posted on 11/18/2013 10:43:42 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: TexasGator

Just because the mother is an idiot and put her children in danger doesn’t excuse a cop firing at the children. The cop’s life wasn’t in danger.


75 posted on 11/18/2013 10:58:10 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: smokingfrog

Well, that explains some (not all) of her actions.


76 posted on 11/18/2013 11:00:05 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: dirtymac
No, not in this situation. This isn't a persecuted family fleeing a death squad or other event that should have motived a 14 year old. Im about as anti-cop as any mentally stable person could be. Having said that, the only mistake the first cop made was being too lenient and letting this situation spiral out of control. You really need to watch the video.

If I had seen my mother fighting a cop over a speeding ticket I would have wondered what the hell was wrong with her and would have tried to calm her down. The 14 year old believed that this WASNT going to be a standard moving violation, he suspected that this was more serious with far worse consequences. It isn't uncommon for drug abusers/dealers and criminals of various sorts to include children in their activities especially if they are part of the gangsta culture. This kid knew something.

At 14 I would have been fully capable of killing an adult, especially a distracted one. The cop had no way of knowing if that kid was carrying anything especially after having sent the kid back into the vehicle where he could have acquired a weapon. If, as a 14 year old, I had been motivated to go after a cop I would have understood that I was doing it under threat of potentially being shot and would have made sure I was armed. When the kid got out the second time the cop should have sticked or tased that kid.

By this point in time the cop should have fully expected that this was not a standard traffic stop. Moms in minivans full of kids do not evade a speeding ticket by going on high speed chases in oncoming traffic. He should have suspected at the very least that she had serious mental or medical problems that required her to be stopped then and there. We cant see what the mother is doing at the second stop but, it sounds like there is a struggle when the cop tried to get her out. Having fled, he should have suspected that she may be armed or have something concealed within immediate reach. When he could not pull her out, he should have tased or sprayed her.

Had he taken any of these justified steps then others in the community would not have had their lives unduly threatened when she fled again. No backup would have even been required except to search the mom when hauling her off.

As to the cop who shot at the vehicle, he is clearly aiming at the driver side rear tire. Not justifiable knowing that the car is full of kids. The angle he fires from endangers innocent vehicles potentially approaching from the oncoming lane. There is no evidence that the pipe sticking out of the back of the vehicle is a full auto dog firing cannon. This 3rd cop needs to have action taken against him.

In the video we can see the boy, and his younger sisters who also jump out, get back in the vehicle. At the end we see cop 3(?) hauling of the boy in cuffs. Another poster has commented that the kid looks small and he is compared to cop1 and mom. If we look for objects to get an idea of scale, like the minivan, we see that cop1 is a man of some size and mom is rather tall but boy is comparable in size to cop3 and should be considered as potentially dangerous to adults.

77 posted on 11/18/2013 11:27:52 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: DManA
U-2012>It is narrow winding mountain road.

You make it sound like a goat track. The speed limit was 55. That’s a pretty good road.

Most flatlanders do not understand high mountain driving.

The road has yellow caution signs identifying switchbacks
on that road with caution signs for 30mph.

At this time of year there is snow on the ground.


78 posted on 11/18/2013 11:31:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Jonty30
I don’t get it. If the plate was good, there was no place she could have driven to that the could not bring her back.

Unless of course she was intoxicated and gets in a wreck on the way home.

79 posted on 11/18/2013 11:37:54 AM PST by Hugin ( More firepower1)
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To: smokingfrog
You have to immediately pay the fine or plead your case to a judge?

I got one of those in Arizona.

The fine was so cheap that I ordered two of them because I was coming back the same way.

80 posted on 11/18/2013 11:39:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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